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This is a philosophical blog about.....oh, screw it!!! This blog is dedicated to calling Cathy, the FHotD writer, out on her bull sh*t!

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Head meet Desk

Here is another sweet Jesus moment since Cathy obviously doesn't understand that many of her followers are NOT going to follow her "profanity free" emails to judges, attorneys, D.As, congressmen, etc. Because we all know that these D.A.s and judges have so much time to filter through thousands of emails, let alone their desk jockeys being able to file through the thousands of emails I'm sure they have already received as result of todays post where Cathy posted-

E-mail for the D.A. Remember, short, sweet and profanity-free is what makes the point. Spewing invective like you're on the Internet makes people hit the delete key and ignore what you have to say.
Cathy, I can't seem to understand why you keep posting emails and links to attorneys and judges. As a para-legal you of all people should know that it's NOT the attorneys or judges filtering through these emails and most likely the para legals and desk jockeys are just going to do mass deletions. Even at that, should the A.C. officer have a trial he will file appeals up the who-ha screaming foul because attorney and judges minds were swayed by the thousands of emails they received. It may be one wobbly leg to stand on, but I've seen cases thrown out on less.
Then she posted this gem.
Where's the hay money going, Kenny? Beer? Drugs? Does Aleshia have an addiction to the Home Shopping Network? What exactly is the problem here, and did you think your property was invisible and no one was ever going to see this?
I'm now guessing that Cathy only holds the belief that drug dealers/users and alcoholics are the ones abusing animals. I'm also guessing that she thinks only Catholic priests are the ones molesting small children. Cathy despite your belief that he MUST be a drug user or alcoholic, stuff happens. A.C. officers aren't rolling in the money sitting around wondering,"Now what can I go blow this money on!" They get crap pay, for probably one of the most emotional tolling jobs. They have bills that a blog isn't paying for, Cathy.
How are you going to feel when it does turn out that these horses ARE rescues? Cathy constantly complains about people just letting their horses starve or sending them to slaughter, now she's complaining about death by a bullet. Cathy, make up your mind! It sounds like they put the horses out of their misery instead of begging for the funds to keep a lame/sick horse alive. There are a lot of horse owners that would prefer death by a bullet instead of making a horse suffer until a vet can make it to their property. And there are a lot of ranches that will leave the body in the back pasture, some will bury the horse, some won't. There is a rescue near me that drag their horses to a un-used pasture and have named it their own "Rainbow Bridge". A lot of people don't want to pay $150 or more for their horse to be picked up and dumped in a large pile. You think that the animal removal gives a horse or any other livestock a burial?
Yes, I know! How unethical of me to be standing up for an animal abuser! I just choose to wait for ALL the facts and not jumping to conclusions until all the facts are presented. How fast could those on FHotD ruin this mans name when he could and may very well be innocent? And just how many rescuers do you think are going to bow out of this business when they think could very well be the next FHotD post?

137 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't think her readers really care if it's true or not...and I'm sure they will all make excuses either way if it's not true. People need to know that a rumour can start in a new york minute, especially over the internet weather its true or not.

Anonymous said...

Beautifully said Wench and Anon Number One. I'm just betting they're sorry they couldn't make fun of anyone involved physical appearance to boot.

~Dk

GoLightly said...

I sure stopped believing in the good guys versus bad thing..
I'm not sure where the bad lies.
Somewhere between..
The title of that post? I wondered that already, on Trojan's blog, a while ago..
Good guys finish last, a Lot.
I won't trust anything that evokes such impossibly high ideals, and then refuses to abide by them. I have a very healthy distrust of "horse rescue" now, thanks to
Well, you know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
No proof = No trust.
Proof good. That's ALL I wanted..
LaMex??

I will continue to support my AC. I know our Chief Inspector, Hugh Coghill. Honest, decent hard working guy. Working with no budget, and an idiotic bureaucracy.
Nobody's perfect.
except
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
What IS that LikE??
Smiling Troll Out.
I've put the shriekers on mute..
Mute good..

DK said...

I went back over and really looked at those horses. Yes, they are emaciated, but an observant eye notes that they have decent feet. They aren't covered in filth. Their skin and coats look healthy. A horses coat will give away poor nutrition and worms in a heartbeat, it's dull, it's drab and scaly looking. I didn't see that. I also saw a clean pasture where grass is starting to grow. So, I believe I will believe the man innocent until proven guilty.

Ole fugs is quick to condemn and judge, that's just her personality. Heaven forbid she's never rehabbed a horse that looked that bad? As for the carcasses out to feed the coyotes, where's the harm in that? At least it keeps them in the back and away from the horses that they CAN AND WILL chase. They are aggressive in a pack and will chase after a horse in weak or poor condition. That's the nature of the beast.

Oh look, I logged in!

The Wenchster said...

DK I agree with you on the coyotes thing. My son in laws horse was shot and killed last year by their next door neighbor by accident. Coyotes were chasing after that neighbors mules. My daughter and son in law had just moved into that house and the neighbor had no clue that there were any animals in the neighboring pasture. He shot at the coyotes and a bullet hit my son in laws horse. That neighbor lost one of his mules to the coyotes that night and felt even worse the next day when he found out that he killed my daughters horse.

Anonymous said...

You know, Wenchster, I find it odd that people who attack with a pack mentality, ie the swuglies, don't understand basic pack aggression that you find in any canine. What, I guess coyotes are now Kyoot and Beyootiful now?

Ugh.

~DK - Meh, don't want to sign back in.

ZTIG said...

They have had the horses for at least 4 months(per wife's taped admission).... what is the excuse for them still being a 2 BCS?

As far as the carcasses go, you can plainly see in the video the horses are grazing in the same pasture. The bodies were not taken far away to prevent the coyotes from chasing these horses. That being said if they were not in the same pasture and they are not near a water source I have no problem with them leaving the carcasses out to be eaten through the winter by the local predators. However, that is not the case in this situation.

I also have no problem with them being shot. I am ok with that. But something is extremely fishy when you have had horses for 4 months (by the wife's taped admission) and they are still that thin and wormy. Something is not being done right.

Also look at the feet closer, the chestnuts rears don't look to bad. My main mare can go almost 4 weeks over on her rears and still have little growth. Sometimes all I do is run a file over them to smooth them out. However, those fronts are another story, they are at least 6 weeks over due. The paint's all four are over due. Look closely a trained eye should be able to see the tell tale signs.

Also that left front is showing sounds of laminitis, same with the right front on the chestnut. Because of that I agree with the vets statement that grain would be a bad idea at this point. But so is fresh spring grass.

The Wenchster said...

This is a quote from one of the news articles online. Apparantly these horse's have been seen by multiple vets, all of the vets report the horses are doing much better than the condition they were in before. Even stating that it appeared the dead horses had been buried. Here's the quote-

""There were signs the animals had been buried," said Chris Bishop, a veterinarian with the Alabama Department of Agricultural and Industry. "That part of the investigation is over."

Bishop also said the horses were being cared for.

"They are under a veterinarians care," said Bishop. "The animals are thin, but the animals have access to hay, feed, and water."

Price also got a vet from Tennessee, Dr. T.C. Hammond, to look at the horses. He wrote a letter, saying Price was doing a good job, but recommended he put up a simple sign designating his pasture as a rescue effort.

CinammonSwirl said...

I haven't visited FBotD, so I won't go all out on it, but although there is alleged taped admissions (any links to provide to the story that won't support fugs?) how do we know that these horses were in fact in this condition due to someone who may not have known how to properly care for them? Are the horses old? I've been giving my old horse so much pampering and care that you'd think he'd gain, but he doesn't. He gets at least 8 lbs of senior feed a day. I've just come to accept that he's an old horse and is not one who just fattens up like a marshmallow in a microwave. He's getting what he needs, the vets have said that. Contrary to Cathy's belief, old horses can't be always picture perfect, even with good care. I'm not making an excuse, but it is a possibility.

And Cathy is not down with shooting a horse for a human death? Hell, if you can put a horse down properly with a bullet, more power to you. It's quicker than injection, that's for sure. It's probably not as pretty, but it's better than starving to death or dying from untreated wounds, sickness, etc.

ZTIG said...

CS said:
"any links to provide to the story that won't support fugs?"

I'm sorry what are you looking for? The taped admissions are in the video from the local news station. I don't understand you question. You want a link to this that dosen't support fugs?

Wench do you honestly believe that his vets on his payroll or vets who have benefited from work from that AC won't back him up? I have seen what two vets will say and do (even under oath)so they don't loose that guaranteed check from AC. Even though UC Davis and five other vets were testifying they were wrong. Sorry, I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly from AC so this does not surprise me in the least.
This STILL doesn't explain how horses in their care for 4 months are still at a BCS of 2.

ZTIG said...

Also, if they are doing so much better then why doesn't he submit pictures of them when he took them in. As an AC officer if this was truly a rescue he would know to take pictures. IF they are rescues he HAS pictures. IF they are improving so much why doesn't he release those so people will shut up? Pretty simple fix you ask me.

snowponies said...

Wenchster
I found the article you quoted from just by going to the very link that Cathy herself provided. It was at the bottom of the page of the article she was refering too (making fun of K. Price for "liking" to be interviewed or whatever. Too bad she didn't bother to read the latest news before working her followers into an "email the DA, throw the book at him" type frenzy.

CS and Ztig
The link that shows that there is indeed another side to this, is:
http://www.waff.com/Global/story.asp?S=9989965

hope the link works

CinammonSwirl said...

Thanks, Snowponies! That helped a lot!

Though I do agree the horses were very thin, I don't think we have the full story. First instinct is to point fingers, but the neighbor took how long to report this? Seems to me like it's hard to miss this going on.

I don't know. Maybe when more is up I can give a better opinion on the matter. Right now, both sides are in a bit of a tie.

Anonymous said...

So, ztig, you up for quick feeding horses who's ages you have no idea about back up to weight?

ZTIG said...

Anonymous in over 4 months the horses should be at least a 3 if not a 4 sorry, even on grass hay only. And at this point that should be free choice.
The first couple of weeks you add the grass hay in slowly and frequently and slowly increase until they are free choicing on the grass hay. I am not familiar with Sarella hay but considering the vet recommended adding Bermuda or Alfalfa cubes as additional forage tells me it is not strong enough as a main forage hay for these horses. Therefore they need to be increased to a better quality grass hay. Not the cheapest bale you can get. These horses don't deserve to be skimped on.
If they are horses from AC like it is claimed then AC will foot the bill for Vet care so teeth and vet care should not be an issue. If they are to old to eat off the round bale then they need to be pulled in and fed a mush diet of pellets and eventually add in beat pulp, soy oil and some flax seed.
For the record I agree with the vet about not adding grain. I don't like it in any horses diet. However, at 4 months beat pulp could probably also be added. And a low carb all in one feed could start to be added.
If he had vet care on these horses the whole time then the vet would have worked with him on a worming plan that would have taken care of that problem and that would have helped these horses bounce back faster.
Also rain rot is easily cured with good brushing and ACV and some warm water. No excuse for him on that one that they are all suffering from it, tells me he is not doing the job of care taking like he should be.
Maybe it is too much for him and he needs help. Maybe he just has a lot more to learn. Whatever the case this is a call to him to step it up. Well intentioned as he maybe he is not getting the job done fully.

snowponies said...

I think the letter from the vet (TC Hammond,DVM -the link to that is in the article that I previously linked)is excellent as it points out how much harm can be done by the media AND the UNINFORMED.
Ztig - I don't see how a state vet (Dr. Bishop, Alabama Dept. of Ag) would benefit from Mr. Price or AC - they are not his clients, he is paid by the state. Yes, he may be called upon at times by them (AC and Mr. Price as AC supervisor) regarding some of their cases or seizures. But I don't think that he stands to gain anything by covering for them.
As far as starved horses being thin after 4 mos. I don't see anything surprising about that. I had a rescue here a couple of years ago who took most of a winter to fill out and by fill out I don't mean her goal weight, I mean where she didn't look starved. Although I will say that there are exceptions, I'm sure, many times it's slow going. Grain has to be slowly and carefully introduced and increased, getting the parasite count down doesn't happen in one worming etc. Being starved is a shock to the system and it many times takes them quite a while to bounce back.
Wenchster - You brought up some excellent points in your post. People aren't rolling in money - especially in todays economy - they do what they can do and it seems to me that this fellow was/is probably doing things just fine within a modest means. Maybe he should be blogging on the internet, bashing whoever he can and asking for donations from his readers. As I've said before, I think of (and guess I have more of a soft spot for, so to speak) the people who are caring for horses,rescueing, rehabbing, what have you, just quietly doing what they can with what they have.
And yes, coyotes will go after horses, especially weak or young (as is the case with most predators). We've had problems in my area with farms losing livestock to coyotes. Wenchster - so sorry about your daughter/son-in-laws horse. Sad, and that poor neighbor to discover what he inadvertantly did.

ZTIG said...

For the record I am not expecting them to be a 5 or 6. I am expecting them to not be a 2 after four months. A 3 at the very least moving towards a 4. Not a solid 2 pushing a 1.

ZTIG said...

Last comment cause I am annoyed by this. I also expect in four months time that their feet should be trimmed. Those horses are over due. They are not in the process of rehabbing, they are over due for a trim. And yes I can tell from those pics it's what I do.

rosesr4evr said...

I always worried about something like this whenever I took in an "under priviledged" horse.

The last one, was an Arab. She was pretty bad, but not the worst I've seen. After only a week of good food, you could already see improvement.

But in the meantime, I was scared to death someone was going to see her and turn me in. So, the first things I did was have the vet and farrier out to establish that I just got her and was providing adequate care for her. It cost quite a bit to rehab that one.

I sincerely hope that FHOTD is wrong on this one and that these people are sincerely doing all they could for these horses. Although, that means that they were being harassed and smeared for no good reason. If the story is true, then these people deserve a genuine smack down.

You know, I wonder with all the heads meeting desks over there, how many of them all have flat foreheads??

Anonymous said...

ztig. You're assuming every horse responds the same way. It is bloody hard to get weight on a hard keeper in the winter time and we had one hell of a bad winter this year. I think the fact that I see no damage to the hair, indicating they have worms. I do NOT see bad feet, thank you very much. You're just here to argue for the sake of arguing because no other sheep would come and do it. I say wait until you've heard the whole damn story before leaping in with both feet to accuse these people of abuse.

bhm said...

The feet on the horses aren't bad, rather, they are ready for at trim shortly.

I would like to read the details first before I made a judgment. Did all the horses arrive at the same time? Did they arrive with illnesses? If the horses had been treated by a vet then there will be medical records. I would like to know what's in the records.

I had one horse that arrived as a bag of bones and it was almost impossible to get weight on that horse. After testing it turns out that the horse had diabetes and other problems. However, I'm still suspicious.

Anonymous said...

This is pathetic. You people are finding excuses for animal abuse because you hate Cathy. Twisted and pathetic.

The point of this blog is to react to Cathy, not to serve a cause or share information or anything else, so don't kid yourselves.

You're internet stalkers who are simply jealous of Cathy's fame and following. All you want to do is to destroy her somehow, but you're too ineffective. I'm sure Cathy reads this because compared to you sad women, her life must seem pretty good. I know that's the only reason I read this blog.

Rogue said...

Lol.

Fame and a following are two of the very last things I'd ever want in life. Why be jealous of those things? I'd trade the fame for a cabin and the following for a ticket to a cruise ship going up the Irriwadi river.

You have vented your spleen, congratulations. But honestly, this venom is nothing new.
If your words can be laughed off, you're doin' it wrong.

Mm, time for bed.

An Observer said...

DK, you think those horses have decent feet? I think you need your eyes examined.

Xix said...

Once again, Cathy sets the dogs on someone without bothering to ensure her story is completely accurate. I admit, I do not have the experience or knowledge to judge anything about those horses or their condition, but I do know better than to automatically assume that a newspaper article is actually accurate. Whether or not this is a genuine case of abuse, it is way, way out of line for Cathy to post contact details for people involved in the case, regardless of what side their involvement is on.

I've always found it utterly mind-boggling that people think emailing or writing to a law-enforcement official will have any bearing on the case at hand - unless of course, they have new evidence to offer. Otherwise it's just self-important interference! The internet seems to have this unfortunate effect of making people think their opinions are terribly, terribly important and valid, and everyone needs to hear them - perfectly fine when applied to say, the comments section of a blog; rude, arrogant and laughable when applied to real life.

"A lie can go round the world before the truth has even got it's boots on." - A personal motto of mine. Be careful what rumours you start, because they never, ever, die; and they have an unfortunate habit of creeping up on you from behind when you'd all but forgotten about them.

sarcastabitch said...

But in the meantime, I was scared to death someone was going to see her and turn me in. So, the first things I did was have the vet and farrier out to establish that I just got her and was providing adequate care for her. It cost quite a bit to rehab that one.

And so you should have done. That's what any responsible rescuer would have done.

I have watched some people "rescue" a horse for two years. Every time AC gets called, they conveniently claim that the horse is a new rescue. He's MAYBE a two. All the photos and video in the world can't change the fact that he's a pretty non-descript gray pony and the fact that no AC officer seems to last more than 3 months at the post, every time is starting over.


If they did rescue these animals, and this is just a case of two very, very difficult horses...they will have all the proof in the world to prove that there was no wrongdoing. The vet letter that the DA sent out to anyone who emailed should be filed away as a "good enough for now". Someone should keep an eye on these horses though, because even the local vet figured these horses should be rehabbed in six months. They've got two more. Giddy up.

Willing to believe someone is innocent is all fine and good...but these two have an awful lot of admitted-to facts stacked against them.

And an AC officer leaving a dead horse in the field for any length of time ought to be grounds for some charges...I don't know any counties where you're allowed to leave carcasses lying around. Anyone from that part of Alabama know differently?

sarcastabitch said...

I've always found it utterly mind-boggling that people think emailing or writing to a law-enforcement official will have any bearing on the case at hand - unless of course, they have new evidence to offer. Otherwise it's just self-important interference! The internet seems to have this unfortunate effect of making people think their opinions are terribly, terribly important and valid, and everyone needs to hear them - perfectly fine when applied to say, the comments section of a blog; rude, arrogant and laughable when applied to real life.

I find this very interesting. In what world are public officials NOT subject to public scrutiny? The government and judicial system are meant to reflect the values of society. If you stay silent, you leave those systems in the hands of the elites.

You assume that the opinions and information of the "swuglyites" are valueless. Way to have confidence in your own democracy. There are probably some morons writing in, but there are also apparently people sending stories of successful rehabs as evidence to the DA.

It is the height of slackitude to leave justice solely in the hands of appointed officials. It is your duty as a citizen to speak up on what you feel are injustices.

There is a right way, sure. It sounds like at least three or four of fugly's commenters are doing that.

Do you truly believe your opinions on an issue you are passionate about are VALUELESS? I'm sorry, I can't be that fearful and self-loathing.

You're darn right I write letters and make phone calls when I feel something is being done unjustly in my community.

IT'S YOUR DUTY AS A MEMBER OF A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

The Wenchster said...

Sarcasta I think you need to reread that vet letter again. As you said...

Someone should keep an eye on these horses though, because even the local vet figured these horses should be rehabbed in six months. They've got two more. Giddy up.


This is what the vet letter said...

This nutritional recovery process in Equines usually is a six month minimum project, if no set backs are encountered.


ZTIG said...
Also, if they are doing so much better then why doesn't he submit pictures of them when he took them in. As an AC officer if this was truly a rescue he would know to take pictures. IF they are rescues he HAS pictures. IF they are improving so much why doesn't he release those so people will shut up? Pretty simple fix you ask me.


ZTIG in the news article that snowponies provided it says pictures were handed over/shown to news media and ALSO the investigators. In fact pictures were handed over from both this AC officer AND another AC officer. News media says there is a HUGE difference of improvement between the pictures that were taken at the end of last year and what the horses look like now.
Chris Bishop, DVM is the state vet investigator that was called out for this case against the AC officer. He's one that reported the dead horses appeared to have been buried and that the horses were in much better condition. Bishop is on the states payroll, he stands NOTHING to gain from giving false reports, the other vet has nothing to gain either. Accusations like yours ZTIG give vets and people who rescue horses a bad name when you have nothing to back those accusations up.

GoLightly said...

Fame?
(snickers)
Infamy, maybe, and I've never looked for that. The forum I frequent, and found fugs on, has many anti-fuglies, I always wondered what the heck was bugging them.
Then I found out.
That's all.

Eloquent rational, factual letters to government are the only weapons a democratic society has.
Sending a letter that will be ignored by the recipient, or worse, dismissed as a crackpot, furthers no causes.
May make the letter writer feel better.
Not the horses.

The condition of those horses "could" be for a myriad of reasons.

Yes, the AC guy probably has some explaining to do.

I'm hoping for the horses.
Not for the head of the AC guy.

The Wenchster said...

Also meant to add to ZTIG. Sometimes those pictures are not released(only shown to media) if there is an abuse case still open against the original owners.

Anonymous said...

My neighbor has two emaciated dogs. But as a dog breeder and often rehabber of abused/neglected dogs (I refuse to use the term "rescue", it might as well be a cussword in this area), I could tell they arent that way from neglect. Their coats are shiny, they are active and alert. Turns out both were very sick, somebody put out poison and they almost died, their oldest dog did die at the vets last week. I did not call AC on their owners because I could tell from experience the dogs were not being abused, but two of our other neighbors who claimed to be their good friends DID call AC without bothering to find out why the dogs were scrawny. Sad world we live in. I could see this being a similar situation, once an animal gets that thin, they dont come back overnight even with the best of care.

Anonymous said...

Adding to my original post - some animals take longer then others to rehab. If they had been neglected for too long their immune systems could be down, which means double-triple the time to get back to normal. If they had very bad worms or sand colic, again double-triple the time due to intestinal damage making nutrients harder to absorb. All critters are not alike, some bounce back pretty quick and some take several months or never come all the way back.

Xix said...

Sarcastabitch

Reread what I wrote, please. Especially the part about having evidence to present. So, those commentators who are writing in with evidence of how horses can look after good rehabbing? They are presenting evidence. I wasn't talking about them.

Unfortunately, by posting the contact details on her blog and encouraging her commenters to put their two cents in, Cathy is opening the floodgates for the self-important and the moronic, ensuring that genuine good information gets hidden, or worse, overlooked completely. You're totally right - there is a right way, three or four of the commenters probably are doing it. But how many are doing it the wrong way?

My point still stands - your opinion is not automatically valuable, regardless of how passionate you feel about it. The value of your opinion is based on the value of the rational you present for it. If you're going to take your opinion out of the fields of opinion based discussion (i.e. blog post) and into the field of say, law enforcement, you need to be sure you are presenting that opinion in the best, most well-argued way possible. Perhaps I am cynical, but I do not have faith in the vast majority of the commenters on FHotD to responsibly curb their emotion before contacting this particular public official.

So, yeah, you make a good, emotive argument - if the position you're arguing against was mine. But, um, it's not. Maybe I didn't express my point as well as I could have, and I apologise for any confusion caused by that.

By the way? It's not "my" democracy. I live across the pond. Way to assume everyone lives in the same country as you. And in "my" democracy, yes, I take action when I feel I have something that needs to be said - but I damn well make sure that action is appropriate and I don't try and set my rabid pack of followers (if, that is, I had one!) on public officials. I wouldn't know, but I don't imagine it's any harder for US citizens than UK citizens to find out the email address or phone number of their public officials, should they want to make their opinion heard. Those of Cathy's commenters who had the public spirit and motivation to write in could very easily have found these details out and lodged their opinions. It is not necessary for her to post the details herself and tell her fanpack to descend - if anything, it's probably counterproductive. Quality > Quantity.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm just going to go and fearfully loath myself.

sarcastabitch said...

This nutritional recovery process in Equines usually is a six month minimum project, if no set backs are encountered.


Exactly. Distinct, marked improvement from the original after six months. There is an implied expectation in there that between 4 and 6 months there should be observable improvement.

It's not a bad idea to continue to monitor the situation. If the local vet has found underlying medical conditions that prevent weight gain, I am sure that will come out eventually too. You do have to consider the possibility that these people don't know what they are doing though, and ignorance = neglect. Having someone take another look in two months is a bad idea how?

The Wenchster said...

Sarcasta no one said it was a bad idea to monitor the situation. I know that I am just saying it's a bad idea to set loose the rabid dogs to attack a person that could very well be innocent. Think of how many rescue efforts could be tarnished if people are in fear their name will be publicly smeared should someone not know they are rescues?

sarcastabitch said...

Way to assume everyone lives in the same country as you.

I didn't assume that. I did assume you live in a democracy. It happens to be a Parliamentary one, like mine. I was assuming that since you have the freedom to make posts such as yours you weren't living in a fascist regime. Sorry. That WAS dumb of me. Oh wait though, did I assume wrong again? Using "across the pond" is typically a UK expression. Are you from one of those other, more fascist European countries?

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Your comments were quite specific. You assumed that everyone would ignore the good advice to keep things factual and to the point. Nice. You assume that everyone who reads (or at least a large number of them) have no idea how participatory democracy works. Nice. Again, in your quest to hate on one woman, you've painted literally thousands with the same, offensive brush.

And instead of doing something helpful, like posting a form letter to encourage useful democracy, you sit up on your high horse and say that letter-writing is pointless. Here's a newsflash sweetheart. The people that comment on that blog are citizens too. Sometimes you won't agree with a large majority of those citizens. Classic elitist cynicism. Why do something when I can do nothing, and while I'm at it convince others that action is pointless too? Read your OWN original post carefully and try and step outside your hard-on for Cathy for a second to perceive it from another point of view. I hope you'll find it quite offensive.

I also heartily disagree with your quality > quantity comment. While it is true that emotional, baseless arguments go nowhere, much success has been achieved changing the opinions and votes of Members of Parliament in my country thanks to letter-writing campaigns that involved form letters. Not super high-quality, but to the point and factual. When politicians are consumed by wanting a majority vote, QUANTITY IS IMPORTANT.

sarcastabitch said...

The Wenchster said...
Sarcasta no one said it was a bad idea to monitor the situation. I know that I am just saying it's a bad idea to set loose the rabid dogs to attack a person that could very well be innocent. Think of how many rescue efforts could be tarnished if people are in fear their name will be publicly smeared should someone not know they are rescues?


Do you have any idea how hard it is to get action from ANYONE about suspected horse abuse? There are so many false alarms and crying "wolf" that very few officials take them seriously.

The point is that there was something here that a DA felt was worth investigating. That says a lot. It DOES NOT mean the people are automatically guilty, but it DOES indicate there is an awful lot of suggestion of neglect. They may well be completely innocent. But nowhere in North America do animal neglect cases make it to that level on frivolous complaints.

Rescuers are kind of used to having to prove that their rescues are in fact, recently rescued. People can be very nosy and stupid. True rescuers have all the very minor paperwork they need to demonstrate that this is a rescue, and that improvement is being made. In short, it is very easy to talk one's way out of frivolous complaints and reports. Usually that doesn't include talking about leaving carcasses out for coyotes, but still giving the benefit of the doubt.

Would you prefer that everyone stay silent? That the welfare of horses be left completely up to the opinion of one state veterinarian? I don't necessarily agree that that is a great approach. Yes, he is a qualified opinion, but he parachuted in on this case.

Time will tell.

You, like your followers, assume that anyone who reads/responds/agrees on FHOTD is "a rabid dog". Thanks. A whole bunch. I might post on YOUR blog under the name sarcastabitch, but *GASP* I do understand what is and is not appropriate communication for public officials.

The Wenchster said...

Sarcasta said...

The point is that there was something here that a DA felt was worth investigating. That says a lot. It DOES NOT mean the people are automatically guilty, but it DOES indicate there is an awful lot of suggestion of neglect. They may well be completely innocent. But nowhere in North America do animal neglect cases make it to that level on frivolous complaints.


Sarcasta, honestly. This case would not even have been on the news had the person accused been joe nobody from down the street. Officers are required to respond to any accusations of animal neglect/abuse- whether they are found legit or not. The only reason this case was on the news was because this man is an AC officer.
Don't condescend to me! You've proven time and time again your inability to read or even hear, as both the news cast and news article said the investigation is over/done and they will monitor the situation for a couple months. More than one vet reported the same thing, that these horses were being well cared for and shown improvement since they were rescued. Not only did this AC officer but also other AC officers showed officers and news media the evidence, photos, and reports that those were in fact rescued horses.
No one here said that ALL of FHotD are rabid dogs. But there are quite a few over there that are. No one said that anyone should stay silent on reporting animal abuse. But I did say that it's pretty wrong to send the pack of rabid dogs after a person when most of the evidence presented through the news and online articles show that this man is in fact innocent and trying to do everything right by these horses. You are fooling yourself if you think that this man would have made the news had he been anyone other than a AC officer/rescue.

The Wenchster said...

Also found this comment over on FHotD, I'm still checking into it to see if it's true or not, but thought it was pretty funny.


FatPonies said...
You want entertaining? The person who turned in the AC officer has been arrested twice for animal cruelty, convicted once that I can find, and been suspended of all AKC priveledges because of that animal cruelty conviction.

You never can tell...

Anonymous said...

I guess thats why the talk over there has gone to strictly cougar and coyte attacks.

sarcastabitch said...

Don't condescend to me! You've proven time and time again your inability to read or even hear, as both the news cast and news article said the investigation is over/done and they will monitor the situation for a couple months.

Really? That's odd. Perhaps the problem is that you don't communicate nearly as clearly as you think you do...which is why you only have a very few select followers that hang off your every post. You don't make your points clearly, and any corrections are just posted in the comments.

You have implied, many times, whether intentionally or not, that the commenters on FHOTD are pack animals, ignorant, blah, blah, blah. For what purpose? I have to assume that it is to create controversy and have people like me come over and point out that there is a huge readership and that you presume far, far too much.

sarcastabitch said...

Anonymous said...
I guess thats why the talk over there has gone to strictly cougar and coyte attacks.


Probably, most people will have realized by now that this is a SUSPECTED animal abuse case and that there isn't much more to talk about. A few news articles and a wait-and-see.

most of the evidence presented through the news and online articles show that this man is in fact innocent and trying to do everything right by these horses.

You base that on one article. Isn't that exactly what you're so pissy with fugly for doing? Also, the fact that he is TRYING doesn't necessarily absolve him of guilt. Sometimes people (even AC officers) don't have the tools to properly rescue severe cases of neglect.

Why are you refusing to see any other point of view? I thought you were above that kind of tunnel-visioned reporting?

Wazzoo said...

The Wenchster said...
Sarcasta I think you need to reread that vet letter again. As you said...

Someone should keep an eye on these horses though, because even the local vet figured these horses should be rehabbed in six months. They've got two more. Giddy up.


This is what the vet letter said...

This nutritional recovery process in Equines usually is a six month minimum project, if no set backs are encountered.


ZTIG said...
Also, if they are doing so much better then why doesn't he submit pictures of them when he took them in. As an AC officer if this was truly a rescue he would know to take pictures. IF they are rescues he HAS pictures. IF they are improving so much why doesn't he release those so people will shut up? Pretty simple fix you ask me.


ZTIG in the news article that snowponies provided it says pictures were handed over/shown to news media and ALSO the investigators. In fact pictures were handed over from both this AC officer AND another AC officer. News media says there is a HUGE difference of improvement between the pictures that were taken at the end of last year and what the horses look like now.
Chris Bishop, DVM is the state vet investigator that was called out for this case against the AC officer. He's one that reported the dead horses appeared to have been buried and that the horses were in much better condition. Bishop is on the states payroll, he stands NOTHING to gain from giving false reports, the other vet has nothing to gain either. Accusations like yours ZTIG give vets and people who rescue horses a bad name when you have nothing to back those accusations up.


It seems to me by this last paragraph that Fugly is always a day late and a dollar short. She latches on to something negative and doesn't bother to dig any deeper. She probably saves the piece she latched onto to her desk top and goes and starts forming her thoughts around it...too shortminded to take a little time and check around the internet to see if there is some kind of update.

Just think, if she bothered to take a little more time she wouldn't be the subject of a blog...LOL! But then again, she knows that if she posts something negative, she is going to get a LOT of hits to her blog and it shows throught the comments section. Go back and look and a lot of times when she does post something positive, she hardly gets any comments at all. Just goes to show that her followers are only there for the shock and awww...nothing else.

CinammonSwirl said...

LMAO. Fugs has written a new entry to her blog about this one (though not mentioned, it's pretty backhanded!) I also didn't mean to click on it. Bleargh. Ah well.

I digress...

She only have two examples of horses who had been rehabbed within about a month's period of time (weight wise) Is that all she can get? That's like saying that all sapphires are always padparadscha, showing a few pictures, then considering it true when in fact most are blue (and red) and it's other colors that aren't as common.

Not all horses just fluff on weight.

Do I think that more can be done for the horses? Yes, very much so. However, I think despite all this negative attention the horses may be getting even better care.

By the sounds of things as well, the report made it sound like the AC officer had been doing this for awhile (rehab) so I don't think he's completely braindead on how to do it. Not everything is done the same way. I'd like to see them gaining weight a little more quickly, but maybe there is something we don't know about the horses? What if one had foundered in the past? You can't just junk it up with hay and grain unless you want the feet to fall off. Everything is acclimation. It can take a month for a horse not on grain to get up to par with being fed the grain as a daily part of the diet.

I remember watching an animal cops that dealt with a man who had his horses underweight to try and deal with founder. The AC officer set him straight and asked him to get the opinion of a vet and get proof. Sure enough at the next visit the horses were healthy, a vet had come seen them, and he learned what to do.

Ignorance is not an excuse, but if you educate someone and they follow through, I don't see a reason why they should be pounded over the head with a board and declared an asshole.

I'm still wondering why on earth it took so long to be reported...That just screams fishy still. I thought I read a neighbor reported him, but maybe I was wrong. Either way, something doesn't lie 100% right with me there.

Anonymous said...

Regarding todays FHOTD post.

Am I the only one noticing the change in markings on the horse named JR? In the first picture it looks like the back sock goes up a whole lot further than it does in the second picture. Also in the first picture on the star on the forehead there is a brown spot in it, in the second picture there is no spot. There is also no brand on the shoulder as there is in the second picture. The head on the second horse looks much longer than it does the first horse.
The second horse also is shedding out a dark winter coat, but the winter coat on the first horse is much lighter. There is also a white saddle spot on the horse in the first picture that is not there in the second picture. The horse in the first picture also has a more prominant sway.

I've taken in rescues for years and weight does not change bone structure or markings. And a properly rehabbed horse does not go from a BCS of 1or2 to a 5 in a month. The color of the horse may vary once they become healthy, but the horse was shedding out a much darker color.

sarcastabitch said...

"They are under a veterinarians care," said Bishop. "The animals are thin, but the animals have access to hay, feed, and water."



This is a very interesting comment. It is exactly what AC concluded in an investigation of the owner of the place I briefly boarded my horses.

The horse in question looked almost identical to the photographs on the frontpage today. It had been "under care of a vet" for about 18 months.

It had a heart murmur so bad you could see the artery on her neck quivering, she had godawful heaves and was eating dusty old round bales, her teeth were absolute crap, she had guard hairs 3" long in August, and winter was nearly here. This horse was facing the super-fun choice of freezing or starving.

I'm not implying anything about the case at hand. Don't mistake that. It's just amusing to me that the words are IDENTICAL to the ones used in the case I'm talking about. The horse was so sick and in pain that it could barely wander from the shelter to the bale a few times a day. FOr the people who insisted that Champ should have been put down on arrival...I'm sure you'll agree with me that keeping THAT PARTICULAR horse alive was cruelty.

--

Another interesting case in BC involved the unfair seizure of a filly from a major sporthorse breeder. A judge later ruled that the seizure was based on adequate fact, but was the wrong judgment call. Anyway, that filly suffered HORRIBLY in the care of animal control. She was hauled away from home in a trailer with 3" thick manure on the ground. They decided that she needed a complicated surgery to remove a weird growth. She got deathly ill in their care.

Read the judgment. It is very interesting where the cruelty ended up happening in that case.

I will be the first to say that almost no case of neglect is cut and dried. To either bias.

GoLightly said...

Sarcasta!
Great to see you back!

"I have to assume that it is to create controversy and have people like me come over and point out that there is a huge readership and that you presume far, far too much."

And you've made an ass of yourself, by assuming that very thing.
Methinks you just need/want to be the great all powerful.
Where is YOUR blog? Who are you?
Why do you feel the need to hide?

Shock and awe sells, you know. Or didn't you know that?
Such presumption. Skinny horses are a huge seller with the shrieking crowd. Drowning kittens!!! Oh, the agony.

I'm shocked by behaviour, everyday.
I'm still SO relieved I never "made" fugly, with my terrible story of my toddler nephew in (GASP) my horse's STALL!!!

Blows kisses:)
But misses.
Really, sarcasta, and you say it's personal, with me. Do you know me personally? Have I had the honour of meeting you, ever?
Is your name Wendy Wise? Kidding, she's an old crazy friend I've lost touch with.
(I'm looking for her, so let me know if that name rings a bell, you are west coast, after all)

Check my blog, maybe it'll cheer ya up.
Never hidden any facts of my life, on the comments, or on my blog..
You don't want ANYone to "know" who you are. Shouldn't you go back to posting anonymously?
You won't sound so silly.

Hard to take a Sarcastabitch too seriously.

Of course, I'm used to not being taken seriously.
It's that DARNED smiling dog>>>>>>

sarcastabitch said...

GoLightly, are you high?

Your blog is virtually impossible to decipher. You apparently have a drug addict sharing your property and that makes you angry? TF? Is that part of the fiction? Do you even know what's real?

Do you have anything relevant to say? I've given you a lot of material today. You can't take any of it seriously? Should I write in a more fragmented way?

sarcastabitch said...

Where is YOUR blog? Who are you?
Why do you feel the need to hide?


As I've mentioned, my life would make for quite dull blogging.

Does posting a weird, pointless diatribe about your life (and a fictional one you created) make you any less anonymous? Do I care?

Bexs said...

My mother in law took in a rescue a little over a year ago. The mare was on the brink of death and over 300 lbs underweight. This mare received vet care, daily deworming, free choice high quality grass hay, grain twice a day, and high quality alfalfa thrown twice a day. That mare picked up weight very slowly and even to this day the mare still isn't up to what her weight should be. She's much healthier and still gets excellent care. I've taken in rescues for a few years now and with horses that are underweight with no major health issues like founder, cushings, or other lameness it normally takes 2-3 months to see a big difference, and normally a full recovery where the horse is up to proper weight, healthy feet, and healthy muscle tone anywhere from 7-9 months. No horse is the same. Here is a link to my local rescue that is very good and only give high quality care and if you go to the before and after page people will see that recovery is not always the same.

http://www.nevertoooldhorserescue.com/

Holly said...

At least it keeps them in the back and away from the horses that they CAN AND WILL chase. They are aggressive in a pack and will chase after a horse in weak or poor condition. That's the nature of the beast.


Coyotes are smart, not stupid. I assume you've seen how very small they are. They will not attack horses, even an injured one. I'm sick and tired of hearing people around farms freaked out just because it's been spread that they "hunt in packs" and will brutally KILL horses. While I worked in wildlife rehab for the conservation district, I took phone calls on this subject ALL THE TIME. Each time I told them the same thing: it's just a rumor (for lack of a better word). Coyotes are NOT wolves. They may hunt alone, or with their mate or their group of young/semi-adult pups, but they threaten rabbits, gophers, things of that nature. They will kill sheep in some locations. Ok?

From experience I can tell you that 90% of what you hear about coyotes is innacurate, based on people's fear (based on lack of knowledge). I wish coyotes would stop being misrepresented.

sarcastabitch said...

I'm looking for her, so let me know if that name rings a bell, you are west coast, after all

Wrong again sweetie. Why are you so interested in learning who I am? I thought I was irrelevant and impossible to take seriously...you and Stephanie sure seem interested in learning who I am though.

Not sure in whose Atlas the place I live counts as a coast...and no, I've never heard of your crazy friend. Contrary to what Ontarians believe, "the west" is actually a big place.

CinammonSwirl said...

"Coyotes are smart, not stupid. I assume you've seen how very small they are."

There are some mutt dogs that bear a striking resemblance to coyotes. I wonder if maybe if that's the case that helps the myth? A dog that shows up here now and again looks just like one if you don't look twice. Sweeter than sin, but there are many other dogs out here that aren't. Within a week of owning my horse, he was attacked by 3 dogs. Just 3. 1500 lb 16hh horse in perfect healthy was being surrounded and in a dangerous situation.

Now, if the population of rodents and small animals they can eat is fine, I highly doubt they would go after a horse, but I bet if they had a large enough pack, they'd go after a pony or even a foal (that is if they are hungry enough and the animal population they eat from is low amongst other things.) I'd think it is very rare (nothing is B&w to me with wild animals. There are always the exceptions) but I bet it has happened at least once in history.

Though I bet the coyotes do love the free carcass.

I agree with them being very intelligent creatures for what they are. There aren't many habitats they cannot survive in, but I'd think the more people, the more chance it's a lone coyote.

sarcastabitch said...

There aren't many habitats they cannot survive in, but I'd think the more people, the more chance it's a lone coyote

I think coyotes can behave quite differently in different habitats. It is very common in the area I grew up to lose farm dogs to coyotes. Packs, family groups, whatever you want to call them, there are definitely more than two at a time. What typically happens (or looks like it anyway) is the coyotes tease the untied dog, and effectively lure it far into a field. They run it until it is disoriented and tired, then kill and eat most of it.

Obviously, if there are coyotes around you should probably tie your dog up at night, but lots of people don't.

In the area my horses live NOW, you are more likely to see coyotes one at a time. And I've not heard of the dog thing happening in this area, though apparently coyotes eat very young calves.

Bexs said...

sarcastabitch said...
GoLightly, are you high?

Your blog is virtually impossible to decipher. You apparently have a drug addict sharing your property and that makes you angry? TF? Is that part of the fiction? Do you even know what's real?

Do you have anything relevant to say? I've given you a lot of material today. You can't take any of it seriously? Should I write in a more fragmented way?



I was able to read her blog. My daughter was even able to read part of her blog and she's only 3 1/2! She didn't know what a few words like clue bat meant, but she followed along nicely until Diego came back on. Golightly my daughter did ask if Butch your stallion, gets special parking at Wal Mart because he's on wheels?

Anon who posted the difference in the rescue horse that fugly posted. Fugly is now posting up a storm trying to bump all that stuff down. After you mentioned the differences, I went back and clicked the photos to see them closer. You are right. There is a difference in the markings and the facial structure of the horses labled JR. Good eye.

Anonymous said...

Observer: Yeah, I see decent feet. I don't see long toes, I don't see elf feet. Maybe it's because I'm used to seeing true horrors with feet with horses in this condition. So, for the supposed "abuse" these horses are in, yeah, the feet look decent.

~DK

Anonymous said...

Coyotes are very common here and none of what I have read is misrepresented, I am only a couple hours from where this case happened. They do hunt in packs, mainly during late summer and fall. Litter size is 4-6 pups plus the two parents. Females often stay with their parents longer (1-2 yrs), those numbers add up quick. They can take down old, sick or injured horses and cattle. Most do not bother dogs, even small dogs, but they do eat cats. Average coyotes are 30-50 lbs. This may seem small to you when compared to dogs but most dogs are overestimated on weight! Most folks will look at a 60 lb german shepherd and swear it weighs 100 lbs. Dogs that actually do weigh 100 lbs and arent mastiff or dane types are actually quite rare, but just about every large breed puppy ad will claim their adults are 100+ lbs. The average coyote is the same size as your typical female german shepherd or male lab. Let 4-5 of them take on a 30 yr old horse and see who wins. It wont be the horse.

sarcastabitch said...

The average coyote is the same size as your typical female german shepherd or male lab.

I think that might be regional. That's how big they are here, but I've seen teeny little coyotes in the US (Dakotas) when I visited. I thought they were little brown foxes at first. They were also really rangy looking. Coyotes here are usually pretty filled out. Not really based on data here, just an observation.

CharlesCityCat said...

Wench:

I agree with you on this one. The lynch mob mentality that is displayed all to frequently by some "over there" is a dangerous thing. Facts are our friends.

Sarcastabitch, no wonder you find Golightly's blog unreadable, by your own admission you are dull. A dull person would not "get it."

Anonymous said...

Oh Sarcasta is here. Let the games begin.
First dear Sarcasta- you have blathered so much it is difficult to get your point, if you indeed ever have one.
We do get your undying defense and devotion to Fugs, though. We truly do.
Let's see, did you not name her the Mystical God or some such lovely dovey name? Did you not get the memo where she clearly stated she wished you would quit defending her? You are scary.
Pity you think your identity is cause for much curosity- heck, with the aid of two search engines, I found you within 30 minutes. Agreed, RL not so interesting, my dear. Obvious by your obsession of Fug defending, various screen names and relentless postings.
And do you care? Obviously yes. Must be why you like to try stirring crap here.
Now hurry back off to the place named in your honor- horseDOPEia and continue to kiss your fair Mystical God's backside.

You are boring, Sarcasta. Try getting a life and a personality.
And cover your tracks better, sweetie.

sarcastabitch said...

Obvious by your obsession of Fug defending, various screen names and relentless postings.

I still don't get this. What various screen names?

I post in fits and starts, like today, then go long periods of nothing. I suppose that's relentless...

My identity is not a secret, that's why it amused me so much that GoLightly keeps getting it wrong. And Stephanie too.

How am I scary? Really, how? I never make threats, send hate mail...typically just respond to really stupid comments. Is that scary?

I'm very curious here. And yes, I do enjoy Horsedopia. It is a private board and a generally fun place to post.

sarcastabitch said...

Let's see, did you not name her the Mystical God or some such lovely dovey name?

We actually have a lot of Magistikal Gods at Horsedopia. It's one of the "ranks" you can achieve after a certain number of posts. I'm sure you think it's stupid, that's why it's a private, members-only board. The humour isn't for everyone.

sarcastabitch said...

A dull person would not "get it."

PLEASE enlighten me as to what is there that I am missing. Due to dullitude.

It seems for all the world like the dissociated rantings of my schizophrenic Aunt. Not saying there's anything wrong with writing it, or liking it for that matter, but not my deal. GoLightly told me to read it, to cheer me up. I told her why it wouldn't have that effect.

The Wenchster said...

sarcastabitch said...
Don't condescend to me! You've proven time and time again your inability to read or even hear, as both the news cast and news article said the investigation is over/done and they will monitor the situation for a couple months.

Really? That's odd. Perhaps the problem is that you don't communicate nearly as clearly as you think you do...which is why you only have a very few select followers that hang off your every post. You don't make your points clearly, and any corrections are just posted in the comments.

You have implied, many times, whether intentionally or not, that the commenters on FHOTD are pack animals, ignorant, blah, blah, blah. For what purpose? I have to assume that it is to create controversy and have people like me come over and point out that there is a huge readership and that you presume far, far too much.

Sarcasta you seem to think that I care what my readership is or how many. I don't post in hopes that people from over on FHotD come over here to stir up crap. I could care less about how many followers I have, or don't have. I don't make my living through this blog and I'm not after seeing how many readers I can get. As stated before I never said that ALL of FHotD followers respond to the pack mentality, but a good majority of them do. I don't post corrections in my comments, I might reiterate or go into my thoughts more deeply about a subject. You seem to be the only one with major issues comprehending.
Trust me hun, if I wanted to up my readership by stirring up controversy I'd just post rabidly about Cathy's appearance or some more of her followers blogs. Those that are able to comprehend and read thoroughly have seen that I don't always disagree with Cathy, and I'll state when I don't disagree with her.
In another comment on here you said that I was taking one article of what was said as truth. No, there are MANY articles about this case on the internet that are all stating the same thing by many officials and vets. So I'm not taking what I read in one news article and running with it. I've found many that all back up the AC officer. I will copy and paste for everyone here in a minute.


DK said...
Beautifully said Wench and Anon Number One. I'm just betting they're sorry they couldn't make fun of anyone involved physical appearance to boot.

~Dk


I went over and read some of the comments again. There are a few making fun of appearance saying they bet the AC officer and his wife are fat, lazy @$$ people. Even without pictures, they'll go after appearance.

Anonymous said...

Wow Sarcasta you waited a whole 8 minutes!!!! What restraint!!!!

"I still don't get this. What various screen names?"
My, you do have a problem with comprehension, don't you?

"How am I scary?" Read entry above

You might want to seek professional help. Plenty in your area.

Anonymous said...

Sarcasta - Size definitely is regional, we are in the same region as those horses. I can see why folks from SD and other northern areas would say coyotes couldnt kill a horse. But here in the south, coyotes arent that small and fear of them killing sick or old horses is legitimate. That is the point I am trying to make, for those saying that is ubsurd and it couldnt happen.

sarcastabitch said...

"I still don't get this. What various screen names?"

My, you do have a problem with comprehension, don't you?


No, I really and truly don't have a problem with comprehension. You're telling me that I use multiple screen names. What are you talking about? I sporadically post on two horse-related forums under a different, much older screen name...and post here and very infrequently on blogs linked through FHOTD with this one! Are you just taking stabs in the dark?

You might want to seek professional help. Plenty in your area.

Really? Do you mean mental health professionals? It's actually a serious social concern in my area that there aren't nearly enough mental health professionals. I don't think anyone could misconstrue that information.

You still haven't answered how I am scary. You referred to a previous post...I am scary because you think I defend fugly? You obviously haven't located all the disagreements we've had. How is typing scary?
==

I am really curious about this now.

sarcastabitch said...

I've found many that all back up the AC officer. I will copy and paste for everyone here in a minute.

You're a Google MACHINE Wenchster. Wow.

I think you might want to stop accusing other people of doing poor research.

Please, please, PLEASE rise above it all and produce a blog that is relevant? You're so close. So close to having one that could make a positive impact. I mean that.

The Wenchster said...

Alright, I said that I would look into a comment that was made over on FHotD about the person that called in the AC officer actually having a history of animal abuse herself. And it IS true. I did a google, found several articles involving this lady, and after emailing WAFF, they confirmed this is the same person.
Laura Fitterman, the lady that called in the AC officer does have a history of animal abuse herself in both Florida and Tennessee. Her articles can be seen here.

http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20071129/NEWS/711290333/0/

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?s=7418472

I'm still looking into this further and if she had any connection in the past with the AC officer.

ZTIG said...

"Morson showed photos of the one horse that belongs to the shelter that price is taking care of. The photos show a huge difference from last summer to how the horse looks just a couple of days ago."

"The horses (those he is being investigated for) belonged to Kenny Price, a Colbert County Animal Control Officer."

So ONE Horse that he has had since last summer that is NOT ANY of the horses in that field. Those horses he has had 4 months (i.e. Nov 2008).
This does not prove your point or absolve him of any thing he is being accused of. All it shows is that one horse he has had in his care since summer that belongs to AC is in good shape. It DOES NOT explain anything about these horses.

ZTIG said...

If the pictures were not able to be released due to the owners still being under investigation then why were the horses taken? That is the only reason they would not release pictures, is if the investigation was still open. Once the horses are taken the investigation usually moves to prosecution.
IF pictures are not released due to an open investigation then WHY would media be able to take pictures now while HE was under investigation? WHY would AC seizures be filmed by media? WHY would any version of animal cops be allowed to film? Your statement lacks complete logic.
I have been involved in AC investigations, I have a friend who was an AC officer for years, granted a different state but the same basic rules apply. The pictures CAN be released. However, there is NO mention of the horses that are of concern before pictures.

CharlesCityCat said...

Sarcastabitch:

Golightly's blog is much like the blog you just referred to. The style and humor is not for everyone. Nothing wrong with that.

Apparently you frequent a blog that has "Magistikal Gods" on it and yet you make fun of Golightly's blog.

I find that highly amusing to say the least.

Anonymous said...

ZTIG said...
If the pictures were not able to be released due to the owners still being under investigation then why were the horses taken? That is the only reason they would not release pictures, is if the investigation was still open. Once the horses are taken the investigation usually moves to prosecution.
IF pictures are not released due to an open investigation then WHY would media be able to take pictures now while HE was under investigation? WHY would AC seizures be filmed by media? WHY would any version of animal cops be allowed to film? Your statement lacks complete logic.
I have been involved in AC investigations, I have a friend who was an AC officer for years, granted a different state but the same basic rules apply. The pictures CAN be released. However, there is NO mention of the horses that are of concern before pictures.

did you ever think that maybe the pictures were released to news media and they just did not air them? after all i wouldn't be to rushed to back track and apologize for publicly condemming someone. i've watched the videos posted on the news site and there is a huge difference in the tone from the first video to the second video. the first video they seemed to believe he was guilty. second video they were talking about his innocence and vets stepping forward backing him up.

Anonymous said...

Sarcasta said:
"You still haven't answered how I am scary. You referred to a previous post...I am scary because you think I defend fugly?"

Let's try again:
Did you not get the memo where she clearly stated she wished you would quit defending her?
It would be evident to even a layman that you are exhibiting some obsessive behavior in regards to Fugly. You selectively pick targets she has been known to comment on and attack.

Go back to Dopia little girl. Go bash under a cloak of privacy. You are out of your league here.

Come back when you develop a rational, independent thought not laced with bitterness, anger and stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Wench I emailed waff as well and got an email back saying they have gotten over a hundred emails reguarding Laura Fitterman and are looking further into it, to please be patient. they also said they have had an overwhelming amount of people coming forward in support of this officer and also overwhelming evidence that proves his innocense.

ZTIG said...

all the Anonymous are hard to track.. are you all one person or are you all afraid to create a name or use the one you already have? weird... never seen so many in one place.

As you said there is a difference in tone and commentary between the first video and the second. SO WHY WOULD THEY BE UNWILLING TO POST THE PHOTO(S) YOU CLAIM THEY HAVE?
They are already reporting the facts that they have. There would be no reason for them not to supply those photos to the public.
Still not proving anything.

ZTIG said...

So Bexs you would agree that in 4 months these horses should be better then a 1 and 2 BCS? Correct? And if they are not better than that should not blood work be done? Should they not be blanketed in the winter time? Should it take a phone call to the state to have some things improved? He is an ACO for crying out loud.
Again I am not saying he is an abuser, I am saying he either lacks education, information, resources or help. No matter the case he needs to step up and do what is right.

Bexs said...

ZTIG, I never said anywhere that those horse's should be that improved in 4 months. I said that every horse is different. My rescues receive excellent vet care, mostly because my mother is a vet, and even at that they don't always improve dramatically.
I'm not swayed either way. There is to little information to go on. For one it's never been confirmed in the public just how long these horses have been in his care. Just because one horse may have been in his care for 4 months, does not mean all of them have been.
If you read the before and after discription on that rescue site I provided, that it shows a vast difference in the improvement of rescue horses. The first horse posted on that rescue before and after shows that even after 4 months of care there were improvements, but the horse still looked emaciated. The same with the horse named Eric on that before and after page. Even after 5 months in their care he still looked emaciated even though he did not look as bad as the before picture. The same with the horse named Marty on their before and after page. And I will speak on behalf of Never too old since I've volunteered and donated feed and hay to them. Never Too Old is a great rescue, they do a great job, all their horses are vetted and fed. They get great care and some horses just take a big longer to get back to normal.
I'm just saying and understand that my mind is not made up either way if he's guilty or not, we don't know what condition he got those horses in. They may have come to him with issues that have not been represented by the news. Speaking from experience I've rescued some pretty bad horses that took me a while(more than 6 months) to get back to normal. I've had several with chronic ulcers, colitis, and mouth abscesses. I've had some that were severe windsuckers, weavers, cribbers that wouldn't let up even for food. If you look on my blog you will see my own personal horses/keepers and see that they are far from skinny. I own a hay lot with top quality forage at my disposal, and even for me I sometimes come across a hard case. I agree with you I would like to see before and after pictures if these horses are in fact rescues. But I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are presented.

sarcastabitch said...

Let's try again:
Did you not get the memo where she clearly stated she wished you would quit defending her?
It would be evident to even a layman that you are exhibiting some obsessive behavior in regards to Fugly. You selectively pick targets she has been known to comment on and attack.


She's cool, no worries. Who are my targets? Besides the ones who are actually on record, right here of attacking? I'm curious. Who does it look to you like I pick on?

What's obsessive about coming to blog dedicated to "calling her on her bullshit" and agreeing with some points, disagreeing with others? I'm very curious now.

Very few of my posts are about the writer of FHOTD, except to point out examples of hypocrisy here, which are hysterical in the fact that none of you see them.

I doubt very many people would refer to me as a "rabid fugly defender". I'm definitely not. Most people don't need personal defenders.

Bexs said...

MTA. I've come across some of my rescues that I can't get a blanket on. I've had some try to take down anything and anyone in their path when I've approached them with a blanket. Not all horses are use to a blanket.
I haven't seen any claims that these horses were without shelter. And we'll never know just by a few photos that these horses have never had a blanket on during the winter months.
Personally I would like to know more about this case and hopefully the news continues to cover it. From what I've read on the Kenny Price google I've done, is that Kenny is very active in rescue and getting animals away from animal abusers. I honestly hope that none of these abuse allegations against him are true.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

You know what is irritating about this whole thing...Cathy's point and shoot method of delivery.

You know, it doesn't take a whole lot of common sense to figure out that if these people had these horses for 4 months and were doing anything other than the bare minimum, they should look a lot better than they do. I am sure now that so many eyes are on them, more effort will be taken to bring these horses back to full weight. Good deal!

However, I find it very difficult to believe that the ENTIRE state of Alabama is willing to cover the whole thing up for these people. It's not a freaking conspiracy. Please, conspiracies are usually enacted to PLACE blame or move it away from the target, not absolve it entirely.

And now we are finding out that the "outer" is an animal abuser? Wow-not a long stretch to wonder if she had an axe to grind.

The assumption that some uglies are stating about veterinarians in Alabama being somehow subpar to veterinarians everywhere else in the US is absolutely ridiculous. H.E.L.L.O you morons...can anyone say AUBURN STATE UNIVERSITY?? One of the TOP veterinarian schools in the United States. Just because a veterinarian does not SPECIALIZE in equines does not mean that they don't work with them regularly and know what the hell they are talking about. Almost all of the vets in my area are general vets. On any given day, they may work on dogs, cats, pigs, sheep, horses and cattle. They are very good at all of them. It doesn't take an equine SPECIALIST to figure out what a horse needs nutritionally to survive or gain weight.

You know what Sarcasta? Why don't you just think of the Wenchster like Paul Harvey..."And now...the rest of the story".

Looks like you hit a nerve though, Wenchster...couldn't help but think Cathy's newest post was pointed directly at this blog.

Bexs said...

I reread the vet letter and the sorrel horse that everyone said looked the worse was a new arrival. And apparently all were receiving B-12 shots every 2 weeks. From the sound of it just from reading is that the horses were actively being seen and treated and the vet was the one that recommended a forage first program for the horses. The vet also said that the AC officer has more horses in a different herd in good body condition.
*shrugs* I wish there were updates on this case. It would take a lot of guess work out.

Anonymous said...

Wenchster,

You need to go look at today's post regarding/following up on the same subject. Ummmmm, I'm sorry but the example photos of the rehabbed horse sure don't look like the same horse to me - the hind sock isn't high enough and the star looks different............I've just lost all faith in FHOTD

Sign me Anon #42............

Anonymous said...

Anon #42 LOL!:

I agree with you and the other persons who pointed out that the markings on the before horse weren't the same as the markings on the after horse. The before horse had a smudge in his star and the star seemed small. After horse had a larger more uniform star. Even though the fetlock on the after horse is weight baring and is springing towards the ground, the mark on it is a V shape, where the mark on the before horse is an upside down V shape.

And this wasn't caught by the almighty fugs? Why, I thought nothing got passed her because she was all knowing. Guess she shot herself in the foot. Someone want to do a screen grab of this in case she doctors or edits out the image? And before she can say "Well, this is what I was sent." And makes excuses for it, I just have to say, sucks to be her. She attacks anyone else for making mistakes.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Anonymous, that is the same horse. I saw it with my own eyes.

Anonymous said...

Also, do the dark markings on a bay horse change at all during winter and summer? Can any bay people enlighten us? The dark markings on the first horse cut off evenly above the knee on the first horse, but the after horse, they go almost up to the shoulders. Looking hard at the shoulder, I want to say that I can see a marking or brand of some kind, but then my eye draws right down to those bay leg markings.

Same anon as above, just had a few additional thoughts.

Anonymous said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...
Anonymous, that is the same horse. I saw it with my own eyes

Yellowhorse- how did you get to Al to see this horse? I thought you were out west.

GoLightly said...

CCC, the gr8 and smarmy OverLookerofAllOz said:
"The style and humor is not for everyone. Nothing wrong with that."

I should put in a disclaimer, eh?
No, two.
1) Start my blog at the beginning, or you'll really be lost. I'll not post for days, promise..
Not.
2)Designed for the mature audience.
(Like Bex's little one.) I type as I would talk. My husband hates it too. When I talk:)

Butch sends his amazing durability to you all. WE'll NeeD it. Butch would never go to WalMart, sorry little one. He's too old for that:)
Waves to Bexs:)

There's a new WalMart around the corner from me at work, the size of half of Rhode Island. Butch has to preserve his tires carefully.. He was made in a VerY different era.
(Butch gently whiffles his, um, cloth mane) Okay, it's just cloth trim. It was soft and furry once..

I think Butch should start OFF the Stallyun ShowCase, but I'm biased.
Buy a sense of humour, SB. Hug the sister for me.
They're cheap.

Okay, haven't read on, but just for fun.
SB:) said
Are you high?
1) Yes. Endorphins, try them sometime. Exercise? Hello? I'm hyper-thyroid too, eh? If you'd started at the beginning, you'd know. I've been writing for years. Yeah, there's a term for it. At least I'm not like those poor women writing everywhere they go..
2) Why? Are you low?
I'm sorry to hear that. Bleedin' hard work, staying positive, isn'ta?

SB:) said
"You can't take any of it seriously? "
Which ?it?
Not coming from you, nope. I told ya, anon is good. You make better sense that way.

"My identity is not a secret, that's why it amused me so much that GoLightly keeps getting it wrong. And Stephanie too."

WTF? What am I getting wrong? I don't give a flying fig who you are, I just wonder why it's so amusing to you, that I could care so less. I ask, because most have (look to your right, TRY not to smile)>>>>>>>
A ProFile. Let us know where you think you're coming from.
I like to type-talk horses. Do you? Or are you just like the rest, who sneer and snark for "giggles". Wow, so mature. That's the scary part, for me.

So shoot me, dear.
That you're a Canadian, bothers me. You belong in a country of your very, very own.
How's that going? How can running your very own country be dull?
I'm sorry, you seem to hate life. It'll pass.
Like SB already has. Dribs and drabbles. Then she went over and hugged fugs, it was soooo cute..
Is she fugs? Hey, I am computer nerdlet, or should I say again, I don't care really "who" you are. Why you are comes to mind as a more relevant question..

"Most people don't need personal defenders."
That really depends on the ratio of defender to defendee. That's not a word, btw.

You're so alone, huh? Try to make friends, it helps, really.
It's that black cloud hangin' over your head, I guess. But, of course you are in Langley.
Lots of black clouds there.

The coyotes in real southern Ontario land are up to the size of a large GSD. Some, many actually, have suffered terribly with mange. They do what they can to survive. Like most of us do. I won't type that I saw a cougar on the south, south fence line. I thought my eyes HaD to be deceiving me. Then I read about a sighting in ? Bowmanville? Gawd help them, is all I can say. ALL the trees are now down on that fenceline. The cover is gone. So goes the wild-life. I blog about it, SB. Does it help? Conservation begins in the back yard. So does kindness.
I betcha a thousands dollahs you are my neighbour MB.
Now ThaT would be ironic.

Latest gem, I'm a schizophrenic Aunt. Well, ding, ding, DinG:) I guess you've had some experience, have ya?
I guess I should post some of my letters to government? My support of SPCA? I don't think I have to prove myself, but I'm GlaD to. NeveR met TrainerX/Stephanie in my life. So, yeah. SO?
Dogs need me
overnout
To Horses and HonestY.
Wherever the hell it is.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

I looked at those pictures again and I don't see any differences in markings. The color differences are negligable and can easily be contributed to his poor health. I can also make out the faint line of the brand on his shoulder in his skinny picture. Often brands have to be shaved in the winter to see them.

To answer your question on bays-some change dramatically in color between summer and winter and some don't. My yearling was born a blood bay, his winter hair is chocolate brown. In no way does he resemble a bay. Hard to tell what color he will shed out this spring. I had a light bay mare that was a beautiful dark bay in the winter, almost dun in the summer. Another plain bay we had was often called brown in the winter. But then we have a big bay gelding that does not change a single bit in color between winter and summer.

Lack of nutrition will almost always cause a horse to have lighter or washed out looking color. It is not the same as being sun bleached in the summer.

I do find it hard to believe that he gained THAT much weight in just over 30 days though. Since the pictures themselves are not date stamped, that part is strictly Cathy's word.

Any info on that Don't Ride? Was all that weight put on in just over 30 days?

Wazzoo said...

That's a freaking different horse!!!! JR I mean, that fugly posted on her blog! The bay...here is the picture, zoom in!!! Look at the freaking shoulder...the healthy one is branded and shedding off dark hair! The skinny one doesn't have that dark hair on the main part of it's body and it's not going to darken that much just because it's healthier and shedding.

I can't remember who said it in their comment, but they are right, the hair won't darken that drastically or change the black and white markings.

And if you look closely at the picture, there is no brand on the skinny one's shoulder. Sorry, but that horse isn't hairy enough to hide a brand like that. Not to mention...the back leg with the white on it and the star, they are different shapes of white...wow...so sad that Fugly feels the need to lie like this just to attempt to prove a point.

I've had my share of bays and none of them turned into a horse of a different color like that. That is two different horses.

The Wenchster said...

Yes I noticed the change in markings too. And sorry dontridenofuglyhorses, but that does NOT appear to be the same horse. Equus asked this over on the FHotD comments and of course she will never get a response from Cathy. So it's not just the many here noticing this, but even FHotD readers.

I also noticed like the first anon stated that the horses face in the second picture is quite a bit longer than that in the first photo. Distance from eye to muzzle is vastly different. The star on the first horse is more of a heart shape and larger, the second horse is more of a diamond shape and smaller. In the first photo there is a dark spot basically in the middle of the star, in the second there is none. The sock on the left hind is shorter in the second picture. There is also much more feathering on the legs in the second picture even though the horse in the second picture is noticeably shedding out a much darker winter coat. The fullness of tail in the second picture also is very different from the first, even if the horse is in movement. And anon that posted this first on here seems to be correct, there is a white saddle spot near the flank of the horse in the first picture that is not seen in the second picture.

Anonymous said...

No dog in this fight but if you look closely at the 2nd pic of the rehabbed horse, it is clearly photoshopped. The shading on the barrel and r hip is suspiciously over the areas that would show poor weight, the grass 1/2 way back is "fuzzy" as if clones and the left rear leg lines is a dead giveaway. The angle of the photo works to that advantage as you cannot see the topline and sway back clearly.

Wazzoo said...

Just goes to show how stupid Fugly thinks people are.

Anonymous said...

n e one else notice how dontyouridenofuglyhorses only shows up to defend the topics that fugly wont address herself? I guess because we're suppose to believe it if it comes out of someone elses mouth, right?

Anonymous said...

The distance between the ears is another thing. The before horse has close set ears, the after horse has wider spaced ears.

LuvMyQH said...

Boy, for someone who doesn't like Cathy/wants nothing to do with her, dontyouridenofuglyhorse sure does know a lot about Cathys dealings and can always pipe up in her defense!
Does she think we all came down with the last shower of rain, or what?

CharlesCityCat said...

LuvMYQH:

Actually, I think Dontyouridenofugly is a Cathy buddy. She is a personal friend of hers and I believe that she was very involved in the whole Champ thing, either that or she is an alias of FHOTD.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Correction, I WAS a buddy of Cathy's. I know more about Cathy than anyone I can think of. I know who JR is, the horse in question and I have seen him with my own eyes bth when he was skinny and when he was rehabbed. I know who rehabbed him and where he lived during that process. It was less than 15 miles from my house.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

"n e one else notice how dontyouridenofuglyhorses only shows up to defend the topics that fugly wont address herself? I guess because we're suppose to believe it if it comes out of someone elses mouth, right?"

No, I show up and post when you guys go off the deep end. If I know something you guys are saying is wrong I will let you know. Otherwise, feel free to bash away at real stuff. When you make stuff up you look silly. I am trying to help steer you in the right direction with your bashing.

CharlesCityCat said...

DYRNFH:

So you know about JR, some real live info would be great.


I am sorry, but I have never seen you post anything that would indicate that you are anything but a good buddy of Cathy's.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Jr was a rescue that got placed by some CBER folks in Eastern WA that was not a good situation for him. He was supposedly being checked on by another rescuer and over the course of a several months he began to look very bad. The woman who had adopted him had no idea how to feed an old horse with no teeth. He was re-rescued and taken to the person's house who rehabbed him in the photos you see. That person is an animal control officer in the Seattle area. She lives about 19 miles from me on the Orting Kapowsin highway. She has a nice house and Cathy used to live there. When Cathy and I were friends, I had stopped by to chat and saw JR there several times. So yeah I have seen JR with my very own eyes. And NO Cathy and I are not friends any more. She did some very terrible things to me. The only thing I did to her was try to be her friend. People do not treat friends they way I was treated by Cathy. We ended our actual friendship in February of last year. The only contact I have had with her was Champ coming here. I did it because I felt sorry for Champ, nothing more. Cathy lives 2 hours away from me now. She was not hanging out here with the horse. The woman who rehabbed JR came by and saw him because she lives close.
I only post here when you guys are off track. You have been correct about several things here. You are WRONG about the photos of JR.

CharlesCityCat said...

DYRNFH:

Thank you for responding. Your input is appreciated.

RoanRider420 said...

There was recently an episode of the show Dirty Jobs that showed exactly what happens in a rendering plant. Thank God they showed cattle instead of horses, although they did state that the process for horses was exactly the same. It was absolutely horrifying. The Fugly blog seems to have conveniently overlooked this part of euthanasia of any type.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

Yes, Thank you Don't Ride.

Do you have any idea if, it in fact only took only a month to get him from A to B?

LuvMyQH said...

I'd like to believe it, really I would... buuut, I'm still having a hard time.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Do you have any idea if, it in fact only took only a month to get him from A to B?


Yes it did take one month.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

That's amazing.

Not typical, but amazing for that horse.

I see several people pointed out in the comments that they also did not think this was a typical case. Good for them for pointing this out.

And I also see Sarcasta is over there acting like a moron. Since she was rebuffed here, she must be looking for scraps from fugly. Of course the only ones that "get it" is fugly herself and the dough boy and his hag.

Anonymous said...

"And I also see Sarcasta is over there acting like a moron. Since she was rebuffed here, she must be looking for scraps from fugly."

I think if everyone would just ignore sarcasta and just stop feeding that troll, she'll eventually go back into her cave. And I think we all know where that is.

snowponies said...

The Wenchster said...
Alright, I said that I would look into a comment that was made over on FHotD about the person that called in the AC officer actually having a history of animal abuse herself. And it IS true. I did a google, found several articles involving this lady, and after emailing WAFF, they confirmed this is the same person.
Laura Fitterman, the lady that called in the AC officer does have a history of animal abuse herself in both Florida and Tennessee. Her articles can be seen here.

http://www.timesdaily.com/article/20071129/NEWS/711290333/0/

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?s=7418472

I'm still looking into this further and if she had any connection in the past with the AC officer.

--------------------------------------------------
Thanks Wenchster. Glad that you got confirmation from WAFF that this lady is one and the same. I had done a search on the name too and came up with those links but didn't want to get my hand cyber slapped for posting names, links etc. (even though all these things are publicly available on the internet.) Just wasn't sure if this "whistleblower/concerned neighbor" was the same person as the one in Tenn. & Fla. She also has an ad on a petsitter site (with her Tenn. address, so I'm guessing it's an out of date ad, where she states that she is a vet technician and equine abuse investigator. HMMMMM Self appointed investigator I'm guessing. Please post if you find out anymore as to whether she has any history with this AC officer or the county AC in general. Maybe she just has an axe to grind with AC in general considering her past problems.

CS (I think it was you that brought this up)
I too found it odd that this neighbor only noticed the animals a few days ago, yet they were supposedly there for months?? But the media is so prone to skewing the facts, leaving out details, facts etc. so it is hard to say or know the full story. But this is the reason why I think it is so wrong to convict this man in the court of public opinion. There are so many details missing.
Have to laugh at FHotD post showing 2 horses that went from rack o' ribs to full weight in one month. Oh yes, that is a totally convincing argument that that is the norm - NOT! And notice that the second horses "before" pic is virtually indistinguishable from any number of skinny similarly colored horses - we have to just go on Cathy's word that the before and after are the same animal and that the dates are as she states. And I wondered about the first horse too after someone pointed it out. Oh, but I almost forgot, over ---> facts need not apply, nor anything near verifiable. Cuz she's "famous" (I know that only because there's somebody who has to come over here to point that out to us!)

Anonymous said...

DYRNFH-
Thanks for your input. Seems you are the voice of reason. Good to know you take an interest in setting the story straight. And I am quite sure there is a huge story behind it all, isn't there?

Why is it that Cathy can't seem to stay in one place any length of time?

Turn-n-burn82 said...

I can't belive her sometimes. Like I said I used to really like the FOHTD posts but now... it's just sad. I know that the rescue I work closely with had several horses who are skinny right now and it's b/c they are older and just recently rescued. What bugs me the most is Cathy always says you can bring a hors eback up to full health in a month... no you can't, not without posing some serious health risks to the animal. I've seen people "rescue" horses that are starving and start throwing the feed to them in an effort to get them fat quickly and 1 od 2 things always seems to happen. they either founder or colic.... I've got a rescue right now that took me 6 months to bring her up form a 1 to 3, I've had her for over a year now and she is just now finally getting to a 5 and she's had no issues such as founde ror colic bc I have taken it slow with her. Her half sister is now owned by an aquaintence and they rushed the mare through the weight gaining proces..... she's foundered twice in the last year and coliced about 3 weeks into them owning her....

GoLightly said...
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Cowgirly said...

Hi, Wenchster- wondering if you'd please contact me. I don't see an email contact for you but need to ask you something :)

cowgirly@cowgirly.net

GoLightly said...

DYRNFH said
"The only contact I have had with her was Champ coming here. I did it because I felt sorry for Champ, nothing more."

Anything else you'd like to add to that story?

Speaking as someone who felt, um, let down, by the whole thing? E-mail me, if you like.
Not too worry, if you don't though, because I was painfully stupid, as we already know.

I'll never donate again, to any horse rescue operation.
I wonder, is ThaT the point of FHoTD?

Horses are sad.

GoLightly

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

Turn and Burn...I know what you mean. It doesn't seem anything is exempt from her contempt. Well taken care of horses in an environment she doesn't deem worthy-bam, nail 'em. Rescue a horse and it doesn't gain as fast as she says it should, nail 'em. Have a nice facility and nice horses, advertise to see if anyone wants to work with them for free, nail 'em. Don't raise the type of horses that she approves of, nail 'em. The only person she seems to approve of is herself.

Too bad most of society has to live in reality and we cannot all rise to Cathy's level. No home, no husband/kids/family, (Maybe) no job and yet...she's the one pointing fingers at how everyone else should be living their lives?

Thanks, but I don't think someone who has never taken on any real responsibility in life should be something that everyone strives to imitate.

Turn-n-burn82 said...

Holy cow talk about irony... I just got done reading ALL the comments and found this link
http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?s=7418472
about the AC woman who has charges against her.... the name rang a bell so I pulle dout all the info on Sis (the rescue horse i made mention of) from the rescue I work with and called my contact there ... Guess where Sis came from..... you guessed it! I am completely floored here! I'll try and get some before and after pics of Sis up soon so yall can see exactly what happened with that ladies horses!

Turn-n-burn82 said...

this is Sis then
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15009690@N06/3351216513/

This is Sis now
http://www.flickr.com/photos/15009690@N06/3351216519/

sarcastabitch said...

I'll never donate again, to any horse rescue operation.
I wonder, is ThaT the point of FHoTD?


Horse rescues everywhere rejoice that they won't have to send you ridiculous amounts of paperwork after tiny donations to satisfy your paranoia. Particularly since you viciously turn on them within days of deciding that the paperwork you DID get "added up too well".

GoLightly said...

Yeah, I was vicious all right. Viciously asking politely, and then, well, it's all there, right in the comments.
But reading isn't something you do very well, right?

Tired of playing with your dolls again?

I'm glad horse rescues are rejoicing. They have so much to rejoice about, don't they?
The money pours in, with just the right rhetoric. As long as it goes to the horses, I guess. Who knows?
Prove yourself, and stop thinking I do care where you are.
I am just sorry you are.

Oh, the drama of horse rescue.
(blows nose) Here, dear, you look like you're really short on goo.

You forgot to press ignore, didn't ya?

oldgraymare said...

Sarcasta you are cracking me up. I mean I am literally laughing out loud at work. Every once in a while you charge onto blogs randomly to try to set people straight with cutting remarks. You honestly remind me of some annoying gnat or horse fly that needs to be swatted at till it finally goes away or a toddler who keeps interrupting the grown ups but obviously needs a long nap. You gotta get those jabs in there, doesn't matter that no one cares. I must be tired because this is truly hilarious to me today.

Anonymous said...

Out of curiosity sarcasta and anon... can we please stop? I'm not sure what the hell is going on between you two but seriously this blog comment page is for comments regarding the blog, not bickering between the 2 of you or whomever else wants to bicker. I myself find it slightly childish to do this over a public forum. Color me wrong if you want but whatever, it's just kind of pointless seeing the sarcastic (though sometimes amusing) banter between the 2 of yall.

sarcastabitch said...

Every once in a while you charge onto blogs randomly to try to set people straight with cutting remarks.

I wish you people would stop lying about me so that I could stop having to answer.

I have posted comments on three blogs:

1. This one, where I really didn't "set anyone straight", most people here proved very quickly that they don't care any more about the truth than FHOTD.

2. FhOTD. As an off and on poster since it started.

3. Trainer_x/Stephanie's ridiculous, unprofessional, bullshit "ihateyourhorse" blog, where she showcases everything that is wrong with the horse industry.

I really, really wish that all you armchair psychologists would stop implying that those actions in any way indicate a general pattern of behaviour.

sarcastabitch said...

There is a rescue near me that drag their horses to a un-used pasture and have named it their own "Rainbow Bridge". A lot of people don't want to pay $150 or more for their horse to be picked up and dumped in a large pile. You think that the animal removal gives a horse or any other livestock a burial?

Here's an on-topic question for your blogger.

Can you please give the names of some counties where this is legal? I don't know a single farming area around me where horse carcasses can be left around without risking a very, very significant fine. Cattle is a different story, but you absolutely have to get dead horses off the property.

In fact, one big complaint among the bring-back-slaughter crew is that it is too expensive to dispose of horse carcasses, so people abandon them, etc.

If there are counties with a reasonable precedent, that is potentially valuable information to pass on to worried owners, particularly in areas with high rates of abandonment.

oldgraymare said...

This one, where I really didn't "set anyone straight", most people here proved very quickly that they don't care any more about the truth than FHOTD.

I never said you set anyone straight. I said you try to.

The Wenchster said...

As I've said before, I will delete any comments that I feel are clogging up the flow of the board. Sarcasta and Anon- take it to email and as I've said before anon- I will delete anything pertaining or even mentioning Dena's past. This whole board has moved on, Dena is trying to move on from her past, I suggest you do the same.
Sarcasta you are welcome to your opinions, just as others here are to theirs. It's doesn't make any of us right or wrong, but please lets all try to keep from attacking each other.

Thats all for now. It's another crap day my side of Texas and the weather is messing me up again.

Anonymous said...

I don't claim anyone has set anyone straight.. I'm just questioning why the bickering? Can we not all stick to topics which is Cathy and her varying opinion on literally everything horse....

Anonymous said...

Hey Sacastabitch

Don't bash trainer x blog. I really like that one.

Just start your own blog and leave the link every blog you post on.

Stop trying to Bogart this one or any other one.

Anon #1000000

GoLightly said...

press ignore....

Yeah, I just got sent a link of you riding, sb.

Um, maybe you could try to read my blog a little harder. It's actually got some great training tips, buried amongst the blather.

And believe me, no-one is more amazed by the length of my blather than me.
Hey, thanks for the profile. Awesome:)
My blog is for people interested in talking about riding and horses and stuff.
You know, about riding?
Like, horses, like? I happen to love dressage and Hunter/Jumpers.
I taught for a long time.

Did TrexX give you lessons or something?
Did you know some trainers just LOVE to give riders, good and otherwise, character assassinations?
I've always been super nice to my students. But that doesn't work for all temperaments.
Is that why? Is your trainer giving you grief? You should try some of my exercises, they're reallY good for balance etc.

So, an engineer? Like a choo-choo train?
There are all sorts of engineers, you know.
P.Eng.comes to mind. Does this mean you can fix my furnace?

Wench, I cower before you, as I have all blog masters. (Except when they seem to ignore honest questions. Or ask another question, as happened to me on mugs.)

Horse people are so odd, huh?

My husband's been shouting at me, I needed to vent.

To the topic, of BS.

To Horses, too.

I guess some have never heard the expression, out of sight, out of mind?
It relates to let's say, people who build berms out here in the country, to hide their industrial equipment.
Get it?
oH, well.

Anonymous said...

I also know of a horse boneyard, but it's tucked away on one of BC's Gulf Islands. It is a peaceful spot in the woods with the cedars standing sentry. The eagles, vultures, and ravens are well-fed. A Canadian Rainbow Bridge, to be sure, one of the most beautiful around.
- Padraigin_WA

bhm said...

Anon,
That's an excellent idea. Sarcasta should start her own blog. She can can write a blog about FWOTD who writes a blog about FHOTD who writes a blog. How's that for confusing. Well, at least it would stop her from posting here. Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

SB: "Cattle is a different story, but you absolutely have to get dead horses off the property."

Just curious, but why would they differentiate between the two animals, since they are both considered livestock? I know that burying horses, how deep you bury them varies state to state and region to region. Where I live, it's 10 feet to bury a horse, yet, in the same state, about four hours away, the minimum is 3 feet. Weird, ah?

~DK

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

DK-For my area, a rural part of SD, animals that die of natural causes do not have to be buried. If they are euthanized by a veterinarian they do have to be buried. While a bullet is not exactly a natural cause, those animals do not have to be buried either.
Should the death of livestock be associated with a contagious disease, then you are expected to take appropriate measures, such as burying with lime or burning, in some cases.

CharlesCityCat said...

Wench:

Way to go. Sometimes the bickering back and forth goes so far over the line that it is just plain stupid.

Although, you have to cut Sarcastabitch some slack, she is a Fugly devotee and so she has learned some bad habits over there. That is the name of the game on FHOTD, no matter what Fugly has to say about it.

SB check out GL

bhm said...

CCC,
You're such a bad girl. I dare you post it on Fugly.

CharlesCityCat said...

bhm:

Just looked at FHOTD, looks like someone referred SB back to my post here.

Should be interesting.

sarcastabitch said...


So, an engineer? Like a choo-choo train?
There are all sorts of engineers, you know.
P.Eng.comes to mind. Does this mean you can fix my furnace?


No, I can not fix your furnace. I would highly recommend you seek out the services of a qualified technician. A malfunctioning furnace is a serious hazard.

I am not a choo-choo train engineer either.

P. Eng is what I hope to achieve once I have enough experience. Not there yet. Please don't belittle the designation, it is a lot harder to achieve in Alberta than it is in Ontario.

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Anyway, about the cattle, the designation is made in the county I'm referring to because horses are viewed as pets, and the chemicals we like to fill them with change the accepted methods of disposal. I'm sure it has to do with the zoning legislation, and the guy who raises draft crosses for meat probably doesn't have to comply. He can probably follow the cattle rules.

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No, SB will not start a blog about this one. Recall what I said about dullness. If I do start a blog...it will be about something considerably more interesting.

CharlesCityCat said...

SB:

Whatever are you talking about?