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This is a philosophical blog about.....oh, screw it!!! This blog is dedicated to calling Cathy, the FHotD writer, out on her bull sh*t!

Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Oh yes, because THATS so much better!?!

Been a busy few weeks. I've gotten a break today and my fingers go wandering over to FHotD where Cathy had no issue picking apart a little 12 year old riding the 4 year old stallion. And might I add, riding the stallion very well. But I guess when you're a scared 40 something woman who is to terrified to jump on your own "gentle" stallion the only thing left to do is pick on a 12 year old that could most likely ride circles around you. Here is the video for anyone that does not link to FHotD.
http://www.viddyou.com/lilfella951

And here is what Cathy had to say about it-

She's not that solid and I'm way too distracted worrying about her riding a 4 year old, 16.3 stallion in an open area to look at the horse. Again, just more silly theatrics to sell a cute but unaccomplished horse.
And why are we zooming in on the kid's face in the video? It's a sale video for the horse, right? Try to remember what you are marketing here.
She looks like a pretty solid rider to me, the horse looks gentle as can be and well trained. She's wearing all the appropriate riding equipment. Looks to be an adult nearby doing the filming able to aid at any given moment. And most likely zooming in on the little girl not only for their own video collection but to prove that she is in fact riding the horse and there is not a grown up stunt double. And should Cathy really be talking about unaccomplished horses? What's that fabulous stallion of hers doing right now other than burning through hay? Oh, we'll just have to wait to see what this super secret trainer is going to make of him. Hopefully he's not pushing down anymore fences or panels breeding for more crooked legged babies. I don't know what threatens Cathy more, the fact that the stallion in that video is a ready to show nicely bred 4 year old and her stallion isn't even trained or the fact that this little 12 year old can ride the hell out of a 4 year old stallion when Cathy can barely get a W/T/C out of hers? But since most of us have seen Cathy's riding I guess we understand why she is so jealous.
Then remember the over dramatic rescue story of Jazzercise, the rescue TB that magically ended up in a kill pen within 5 minutes, needing to be roped by 5 grown men because he was a Son of a B*tch? Oh, yes there is more about him, and he's a local star having been on the news! When you click on the link you read about some of those silly theatrics Cathy was talking about in the above topic.
Oh joy, because I would call throwing a sleeping bag out and laying down in a rescue horse's stall only after weeks of having rescued him and not knowing his full history so gosh darn cute and safe. Cause we've never heard of a horse freaking out in a stall because the wind blows or a bee is pestering them and charging around. Yes, but I wouldn't call that silly theatrics, eh Cathy?

188 comments:

Anonymous said...

WOW!!!!!! That little 12 year old is a really nice rider!!!!! Wish I rode that well at that age. I was all over the place at 12 yrs. She has nice quite hands and a good seat and leg. Very nice horse too.

kestrel said...

Couldn't resist...it's snowy and I'm cranky, so this is what I posted
*Actually, I like the 12 year old rider. She's obviously going through a growth spurt, looking at her thigh to calf ratio. Instructing kids at that age can be challenging,because they can grow overnight just like a colt, and just as unevenly. Your star pupil can get all gawky on you and it's not their fault, they just need to rediscover their changed bodies. Picking on form at that stage of growth will do absolutely no good and serious harm.
Her hands are nice, the horse travels well for her even though she had to push him pretty hard with her seat to keep him up to speed which makes her back look stiff when it isn't. She looks determined and focused, a little nervous because of the camera, and will be a real contender!
Hindsight is always 20/20. Accidents can and do happen. Toddlers get loose, horses kick. The blame game serves no purpose. Learn and go on.*
Sheesh, I just get so mad when that's the worst they can find to pick on...some really talented young girl riding a lovely trained horse.

CinammonSwirl said...

She is a good little rider (though I thought her leg looked funny at the beginning at the walk, I don't know. I'm not that great so what would I know) and that's a nice, clean looking TB. Maybe not stallion material, but clearly he is doing very well for a 4 yr. old, and I don't see what's wrong with it. If it was a 4 yr. old gelding would she feel any better? I think a 12 is not this helpless time in riding. Maybe 8 and under is, but 12, not so much.

Haha, as I was reading it, I was thinking about BYC not being proven and she's bitching about one that is broke and hasn't bred anything and is well trained. However, you beat me to it, Wench. Good deal.

Anonymous said...

I like the horse...but are you blind? Look at her leg as she's cantering. Wobble wobble. Her hands are perched way ahead and she's balancing on them. Is that not obvious? I'm not saying the kid's a bad rider by any means (she looks comfortable and to be coming along well enough) and I believe there's a lot of truth to Kestrel's views on growth spurts, but I also see fugly's point. I wouldn't want my daughter in such an open area on that young of a stud. Wonder what would happen if he suddenly spooked and bolted. Stranger things have occured. It also looks as though if he stopped too quickly she could easily go ass over teakettle with that forward, balancing on the hands (which seem quieter because they're pretty much touching the horse)posture. And I'd hardly consider the small paragraph in today's several-topic post "ripping" on the child rider. I think the point was completely missed.

Turn-n-burn82 said...

Sigh I am losing more and more respect for FHOTD with each post of hers. What has happened? she used to be informative...

that little girl looks like a damn good rider to me. Horse looks nice too.

Anonymous said...

Really Wench, do you have nothing better to do with your time? Never mind, the answer is obviously not.

Somehow I think if Cathy said the sky was blue you would argue it.

Not that I agree with everything Cathy says, but this blog is seriously sooooo lame. This is the first and last time I will read it.

Would love to know what your beef truly is with Cathy. Most likely you are an Asshat she outed and this is your idea of revenge??

Oh well, whatever or whoever you are...life is too short to be so angry and bitter.

Anonymous said...

That is a VERY well put together video, I loved it! That kid can RIDE! I'd like to see her heels down a little more, but man, that's one of the most creative sales videos I have ever seen! Heck, they shouldn't sell that stallion, they should let the kid grow into him, because they work really well together!

So, don't know what cathy's whining about, that kid is an excellent rider!

Oh, you won't believe my captcha. asoles. Hehehehehe!

~DK

Anonymous said...

ANON said. Wonder what would happen if he suddenly spooked and bolted. Stranger things have occured.


There is a chance to get hurt on any horse. If your point was valid then no one would be riding in the open, we would all be in arenas or round pens. Any horse can spook no matter how dead broke someone thinks their horse is.

And this horse is not unaccomplished. He's won over $50,000 on the track. So for an ottb he looks really good to be kid sane and able to work under saddle after only finishing racing last year. She's a great little rider. I didn't see her bracing with her hands or her legs all over the place. I think people are just jealous that this girl can out ride them.

Duske Falling said...

I think one thing we, or most of us, can agree on, is the ability to spot bad riding. Granted that this child is twelve, no one has come up the horror that fugs is showing over her riding. She balanced, she posts, she knows how to ride a canter. This kid has had training.

Did she deserve to be bashed on a hate blog? Absolutely not.

Trainer X said...

you know what? When I was 13 I was allowed to ride a Stallion and he was awesome... The 12 yr old is a GOOD rider and the stud seems really well behaved...Yeah her lower leg could use some work, but she didn't seem unstable... Damn it's like she's running out of material...

Trainer X said...

I'm sorry I really REALLY just had to post on this one!

Anonymous said...

The little girl looked just fine to me. She's a little girl on a big horse, so of course she's not going to look perfect, but considering I was only riding a bouncy little pony at her age, she's looking pretty good. The horse looked safe (and a cute mover at that), and obviously someone was nearby (videotaping) in case something happened. Yes, she was riding a stallion but...he didn't look all that dangerous to me. I'm sure if they had any reason to feel unsafe, they wouldn't have let her ride.
Hey, at least she's wearing all the right gear, including a helmet. Isn't that one of her usual complaints? I wouldn't be bashing this little girl's riding considering the videos of herself riding don't show anything impressive.

GoLightly said...

And the shrieking continues.
What kestrel said..
waves to Tx..
Sure the kid can use some lessons, so can we all.
She's doing great,the horse is bleedin' gorgeous and well-fed.
But
GASP
It's a
(SHRIEK) CHILD.
oh grow up..
Not the kid, you know who
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Anonymous said...

Wow, are you all so dazzled by the special effects that none of you can see the horse is lame?

And, no, that is not good riding. Good riding is not swinging your leg every which way. Good riding is your leg anchored beneath you with your weight in your heel for starters (or at the very least not so far in front that it looks like your in a lay-z-boy instead of a saddle).

Also, the horse's canter looks nice and slow because they are using a slow motion effect (watch the tail and you can tell), and also makes her seat look quieter. In reality, a gas molecule is quieter then her base of support.

Seriously guys, I don't know how bad of a rider fugs is, but regardless of her ability, that girl is NOT demonstrating good riding.

GoLightly said...

I did see a bit of ouch at the trot.. Maybe footsore.

But you will think, anon, that I'm saying that because of your post.
Not. Honest. Nut you won't believe me, sooo.
Oh, welll.

She's a KID. 12. She needs lessons, she is LEARNING. The horse is quiet enough for her to ride. Lucky girl. Lovely, well-put-together horse.

Much better horse/rider combo than many I can think of..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

My gawd, in fugly land you wouldn't be allowed to ride until you were
1) 40+
2) independently wealthy. With several generations of relatives to cover your ass.
3) supporting as many "rescues" as possible.
4) an amateur, so that you can sneer and snark at others' abilities. EspeciallY when they will obviously exceed your own.

Happens a LOT in horses, eh?
I've said THAT before..

(gasp)
I rode a stallion, too, when I was 12!!!!OMG, OMG.
(yawn)

To That Nice Stallion, and that nicely turned out, young, learning to ride WELL, kid.

She needs work in two-point, just like others I could mention, but won't.

honestly..

good post,wench:)

Hope you don't mind my blather..
SomE sure DO
:):)
just push ignore..

Anonymous said...

Once again another fugly over here trying to prove a point that is not there. The horse did not look lame and her leg was not swinging furiously to and fro. Yes her leg was not as strong as a grown up rider, but guess what? Her legs aren't as long nor is she as mature as a grown up.
Slow motion taping is not going to change seat position or how quiet her seat looks, so that excuse is out.
Anon come back when you actually can make a point that makes sense.

GoLightly said...

anon, 7:47 pm.
That girl should look like Beezie frickin' Madden by now, c'mon!!!
She's 12, she should be perfect.
Really.
not...

(snickers)
He ouched a teeny tiny bit, nothin' major tho. Right front, at the trot? Just watched again.. Maybe hit a rock..

Yeah, it was stop-motion photography.
That's why the horse was so calm.
Yeah, that's it;)

Anonymous said...

I will come back when you put your contacts in :)

I'm a film editor, I pull the same crap myself. I can see that the framerate was dropped to at least 23-24 frames per second (don't ask how I "see" it, I just do ok?) which is all that is needed to make everything look quieter. Watch the video again, and look at how much her seat moves around the saddle at the canter.

I don't care that she's riding a stallion, or that she needs lessons. I am absolutely astounded though that people think this is good riding.

Anonymous said...

Anon ^^^^: We're not going to fight and argue with you, if that's what you're lucking for, go back to the fugly blog.

CharlesCityCat said...

Jealousy is an ugly thing.

That girl is doing a good job, after all she is 12 and that guy is way too tall for her. Not perfect, but I want to see video of you doubters, proving that all of you are sooooo much better even at your present age, Fugly can't.

Her position needs refinement, but her seat, upper body and hand is quiet. That goes a long way

trainingemmy said...

Look, my mare is more likely to spook and whirl than that stallion. Seriously. A stallion does not a dangerous horse make. I really wish people would get over that.

Do stallions require a firmer hand in general? Yes. Are they more likely to kill you? No. Is everyone a good enough or confident enough rider to handle one? No.

But most importantly: Is there some kind of latent eroticism wrapped up in riding a stallion? I guess so, since all the ladies over at Cathy's blog get so hot and bothered about it. It's like all stallions become some kind of wild Fabio-style romance hero--strong, muscular, beautiful to look at (if Fabio floats your boat...not so much for me, personally), and daaaaaangerous. So wickedly dangerous.

Puke.

The kid's a nice rider. Better and braver than I was at her age. Heck, come to think of it, better and braver than me today. Ha ha.

CharlesCityCat said...

Ms. Anon Film Editor:

When was the last time you were 12 and probably 4'10" riding a 16.2' horse? Were you any better, if so, lets see some video, if not, shut-up.

Anonymous said...

Anon- I am too. It is NOT good riding. And the horse IS lame. Good grief Wench, you make it seem as if this kid and her riding were actually the topic of fugs' post today. You quoted her harsh words herself...but...they weren't harsh at all. Very realistic. And as far as the whack job going to extremes about no one would ride in the open. Reality check here: 12 year old rider without enough skill to handle a 4 year old stud if he gets a wild hair. It cannot even be fairly compared to an adult. Period. We are supposed to protect our children while still allowing them to learn. Man...the kool-aid here is sure getting rancid.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure you see fugly as the leader of the free horse world to!!!
I think it's a shame that you think you know good riding, when you don't. I guess you would think Cathy is a grand prix rider when you watch her videos. I've seen top notch dressage riders move more in their seat than that little girl.
But who am I to say anything to the royal film editor???? Does a couple years at community college get you that degree? If thats the case I have my degree in psychology and can tell from your disgruntled tone over the computer that you are clearly jealous of the 12 year old and her riding abilities. Maybe your daddy complex is making you feel a bit insecure in your own riding. But don't worry, that's nothing that Paxil or Zoloft won't fix.
Like I said just because you slow the footage down does not change her seat. I have windows movie maker on my computer and was able to speed up the video. She still had a good seat.

Golightly!!!! I know. That poor pathetic girl, she should be competing in the olympics by now. What stupid fools her parents are for putting her in lessons to teach her properly. Clearly they are not paying out. She's a crap rider compared to the Fugly Queen. She should take lessons from the person who teaches Cathy. Watch out 2012, Cathy and her beloved amazing stallion will be trying to compete in the olympics near you. Along with the big titty brunette that Cathy talked about earlier in the week.

Anon 7:47.

Anonymous said...

I'll say one that, that kid is ten times the rider fugly is.

CinammonSwirl said...

"Does a couple years at community college get you that degree?"

I'm sorry. Just for that, I <3 you.

Andalusians of Grandeur said...

I see nothing wrong with riding a quiet stallion at her age. She is under supervision, and she has on the right protective gear. Ol' Dobbin could spook and dump her, too. I took lessons from an instructor that had me put my hands onto the horse's withers if I felt insecure in my seat. This way, I didn't yank the horse in the mouth. Hell at 12 I would go to the pasture with a halter and lead and jump on my horse bareback and head for the barn to saddle up. I did that with a stallion one time and brought him and his whole herd up to the barn.
Gl, come over here and help me bubble wrap the Dillo. After all, we're going out of the house and to the park. How very dangerous!!!

horspoor said...

One of my students is a year younger than that girl. My student has a very good seat. She used to sit my arab's extended trot, and make it look easy.

She hit a growth spurt awhile back. I was constantly on her. I couldn't figure out what happened to the lovely seat. She was leaning back behind the verticle, struggling with leg position. Then is dawned on me...she grew about 2-3 inches in a couple months...she had no idea where her body was.

secondwindacres said...

My daughter is going through the same thing right now. She is 14 and since last year at this time has grown so much that she looks like a different person. She tends to get behind the vertical when riding too. She had been riding bareback, if at all, for most of the winter and when we just started up lessons this Spring we were amazed at how much we had to let down her stirrups.

Doesn't matter how small the blurb was, how it was worded or where it was placed in the blog...the fact is that the horse looks fit and well-cared for (I also thought I saw subtle hint of lameness at times too) and the properly attired child who obviously has some experience is doing a good job. What was the point of Cathy even MENTIONING it?? Someone from fugs please enlighten me. Just because it's a stallion? Does anyone over there have any DECENT experience with horses? Each and every horse is different. I've seen some beotchy mares in season that I would NOT put my kid on. I have a neighbor with a stud turned out with a bunch of geldings and you'd never know who was who unless you looked for the boy parts. It's about temperment and training, jmo. How slow of a news day is it that you need to comment on this video? The way the kid is dressed and how fit and nice the horse looks would lead me to believe that the adult in charge wouldn't put that 12 yr. old on the stallion unless it was quiet and well-trained and they were supervising.

Anonymous said...

Sigh...the point of her mentioning it, from what I gathered anyway, was that the video itself wasn't a very good sale video to an educated buyer. And it wasn't. It made my head hurt. Too much edited fancy dancy bs. I also get sick of seeing people use young riders as gimmicks to show how quiet their horse is to potential buyers. It's a pretty lame ploy. Then again, when your horse is lame I guess you need a lighter rider. Again, sigh.
I'm not exactly defending Fugly, I agree she can't ride for s**t and definately do not always agree with her views but I also understand that her blog is meant to express her opinions. It's not cardinal law. Simply someones thoughts, right or wrong. Unlike this blog...which is simply a "hate" blog designed to pick on one person. Blah. How lame.

GoLightly said...

"I am absolutely astounded though that people think this is good riding."

AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHH.
No, it isn't "GOOD" riding.
She's a KID. NICE Horse, the kid's seat is excellent, and wow, her leg isn't solid yet.. How disgusting. Kid shouldn't even TRY to ride, I guess. Poor thing.

sigh.
AofG
SHRIEK, don't you dare take that child out!!!!! Run for your life!
The sky is falling!
Oh, right, never mind. Some of us do have brains..

I believe counter-point is also a word.

But ooooh, Coppola watched the video! The horse MUST be traveling in a falsely slow frame. And the rider is of course, able to ride better because of it!!
(shakes head)
What an idiot.
I don't "hate" anybody. OKAY, my neighbour. SHE's a nightmare.

Disappointment is not hate. Different emotion entirely. Look it up.

I think anon 2:21 maybe hates a lot of things. Maybe her own riding ability, which is probably negligible.

As a sales video, showing how lovely and quiet the horse is?
SUCCESS.

buncha shriekers..>>>>>>>>>>>

The other side of this argument is over there>>>>
Why not stay there?

"I'm a film editor, I pull the same crap myself."
What, riding like a 12 year old? A Good 12 year old?? ThaT sounds like complete crap.. Claw your way back to reality, Coppola.
Crappola, sorry, couldn't help myself.

tooooo funny..

The Comfy Cob said...

Hello Wench, first time commenter here from the UK. I've been a long time reader of FHOTD and I have seethed many a time at the temerity she shows in criticising riders, horses, people, personal lives and training methods when, she herself demonstrates little accomplishment and often much hypocrisy. I am pleased that you have started this blog to counter some of that rabid nonsense.

The 12 year old girl in the video shows promise as a fine young rider. Yes, she does need a little work on her position, particularly her arms, which are stiff and working against her efforts to get the horse moving forward with energy - however, she is quiet - yes, quiet and to me, that is an important aspect when assessing any rider. She isn't constantly banging his sides or jagging his mouth. To me, she appears to be a polite young rider, doing well. It's never the easiest thing to get a young horse going forward, with some impulsion. Plenty of time for that, he's only four and for a four year old, he looks as if he hasn't quite found his powerhouse yet - with careful schooling (probably some driving groundwork) that will come.

I find it sad that FHTOTD cannot give credit where it is due. I also find it depressing to read how often she (and the ever rabid band of FHOTD followers) refer to a featured horse as a "rank piece of shit" or "trash" whether that is referring to the conformation of the horse or its behaviour.

A very wise trainer (Fellow of the BHS and an esteemed classical trainer) once said to me that you get the world that you describe. Never was he more correct than in the world of humans and animals.

Keep up the good work Wench!

fuglyfuglyfugly said...

I agree with the first anon, I was waaay too distracted by her flopping leg. And no, I don't think kids belong on stallions on a regular basis. I was at a reining barn where pretty much everything male was a stallion, and every stallion was super well behaved (I never, ever heard screaming or fighting from any of them) but they still are not appropriate mounts for kids who don't have a very, very solid base.

fuglyfuglyfugly said...

And while I'm thinking about it, it's an OTTB. Think about how strong some of those horses can be. That horse decides to bolt? You think that little girl would have enough weight and leverage to pull him back? Really? I'm not horrified by the video or really by the girl riding, but I still think it's something that ought not to be done.

fuglyfuglyfugly said...

...I do agree with the comments about the VLC, though. Any new status updates on the "trainer" issue? She hasn't mentioned him in the VLC blog...(geez there needs to be an edit button so I don't have to post three times in a row...)

bhm said...

Yes, the child could use some adjusting, but I don't see outrageously poor riding skills that warrants a feature on fugly. To top it off, I don't see a reason to pick apart a child.

My view is that it depends on the horse. As a child I rode a wonderful Welsh mare that I think is a suitable child's horse. I rode a nutty Shetland that would bolt and throw the rider every chance it got. Not a suitable child's mount.

At that age I rode a small size-appropriate horse that was a handful. Not a suitable child's horse. At that age I competed in equitation and rode a jump course on a horse that size. The horse was a dream to ride and was completely suitable for me. I complete against 15 to 17 year olds with many more years of experience and, surprisingly, did not come in last.

GoLightly said...

fff
they still are not appropriate mounts for kids who don't have a very, very solid base."
Like Beezie right?
Shriek, it's a stud. OMG, testicles, on that horse!! eeek.

Please...
Must be So hard being so perfect..

Standing Ovation for the very wise lass from the UK, The Comfy Cob.
"applause"

NICE horse, and horse-people generally look at the HorsE. But, horse-amateurs tend to pick, and pick..
Gives them something to do. They sure aren't trying to improve themselves...

Anonymous said...

I read and reread the post about the little girl and though a comment was made that she isnt the most solid of riders, I hardly call that ripping the girl apart. She merely stated that watching the video made her nervous. Heck, watching cross country or jumpers can make me nervous but I wouldn't say I am ripping the riders apart. The little girl is a nice little rider but she does need to work on her lower leg, I personally don't have a problem with her riding that horse as he did seem very well behaved though i would like to see them in a ring, a horse is a horse and none are 100% safe.
I am by no means a fugly follower, I agree with some things, others I do not. This is America and everyone is entitled to their own opinions and can blog about it to their little hearts' contents but this blog really seems to have a real personal vendetta against Cathy that is unappealing and it makes one wonder what has Cathy done to deserve such hatred? I don't know anything about QHs so I don't have any real opinions on VLC, I do know he is alot more appealing than those beef cattle types that pin in the QH halter classes BUT she isnt breeding him, she is trying to get him out there and IMO that is about as responsible as you can be at this point. Of course any horse that makes a decent stud will make an outstanding gelding but you also can't put them back on after you've cut them off so I do understand waiting.
If this blog really has a point to make, i suggest that you state your case with facts rather than personal attacks and you will gain more respect

Anonymous said...

as most of you who also follow my blog know I myself have been riding for nearly 20 years BUT have recently started taking english lesson b/c I realized I could use some work and as one poster said, could we all not benifit from lessons. I've already posted on here once that I thought the little girl looks great riding and I am sticking to my guns on that one. She's TWELVE she's got growing and maturing to do how many of us were really "world class" when we were 12 and for that matter how many of us are "world class" now? Probably not many. i will be the first to admit I wasn't that great at 12, hell that little girl could have rode circles around me when I was 12. Hell I'll be the first to admit I'm not that great now! lol I ride well and plac ein shows a fair bit of the time but I need work so hence the desire for lessons......

and to the annon who said Wench was an asshat that fugly outed.... um yeah no it's just most of us have come to realize her word is not Gold and she really has no clue as to a lot of things. Yes she seems smart BUT looks can be deiciving. As has been mentioned numerous times Cathy is an advocate of gelding anythign with nuts that is not stallion material..... well thats all fine and dandy but when she has a 4 year old stallion in training, having not been shown under saddle yet... what right does that give her to tell someone with a nice bred yearling colt that is just now starting training that he needs to be gelded? Can you answer me that? She contridicts herself ALL the time. It;s funny to b/c I got a conformation critique on my mare and was told she was horribly built, nesty and just plain... said mare has won multiple reserves and a couple of grands at halter... yeah her conformation sucks.... the true asshat is indeed FUGLY

Anonymous said...

I have no problem that Cathy has not shown her stud undersaddle yet, IMO stock horse people start their horses way too young and starting a horse older is not in itself a way to rate the horse. So many horses started younger are retired before they hit 10 yrs old, I start my horses no earlier than 3 and they are still competitive in their later years. I have a 25 yr old arab that just took championships in both WP and halter. Had I decided 22 years ago that he was no good because I didnt get on him until he was 3, I would have missed out on the best horse I have ever owned

GoLightly said...

One of the WorsT things you can BE around horses is nervous.

Just sayin'.

I am not into hate.
That's >>>>>>>
That-A-Way..

success in the pen said...

Wenchster... you need to email me. It's important. shorty45177@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

She was nervous for the girl's safety, she didnt say she was nervous around horses. I doubt that she is nervous around horses if she works with Tbs and rescues. I am not nervous around horses but now that i am almost 40 I certainly am more cautious around horses. When i look back at things I have done in my younger years! Holy Cow! Am I more nervous than 15 years ago? No...but I am a hell of alot smarter.
You say you are not into hate? Sorry but this blog is full of it, just as much here as on the other one but at least she has a purpose other than just bashing... how many horses have you saved?

Anonymous said...

This blog reads alot like horsetopia Everyone who agrees with the masses is a great rider, has beautiful horses and are experts in everything

GoLightly said...

Funny you should mention that.
I helped "save" Champ.
I ThinK.
Still waiting for any sort of proof that the horse was saved. But guess WHAT. The horse was in danger, thanks to people. How can you rescue horses from people? People Domesticated them, remember??
People go to Auctions. People take horses to Auctions. People BUY horses from Auctions.
GASP. That's been going on for centuries.
People put horses in "danger" ALL the time, it seems. Which is fine, because then, TahDah, you can RESCUE them. Heroic.

DYRNFH ??
Hello? Why did you disappear, after I asked that question, aGain?

I've supported my AC for decades now. But that doesn't count..
I haven't spent myself into the poorhouse trying to save more. How terribly selfish of me.

"She was nervous for the girl's safety". Yeah, right.
Stop watching young people ride then.
I felt no issues of safety with that kid.
If Fugs was "teaching" her? Oh, yeah, then I would. Nerves get transmitted straight to the horse, you know.
That kid was as coool as a cucumber.
So was the horse. NICE horse.
Now he's VERY lame, apparently, cause the master of all things horse watched the video again.

Two steps, TWO, of head bob.

yeah, he's DeaD lame. Send him to auction, and we can rescue him!

Let me get out my check book.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

"DYRNFH ??
Hello? Why did you disappear, after I asked that question, aGain?"

What question are you referring to?

Anonymous said...

Oh Lord, you can't let it go about cathy's colt can you? Haven't you said everything possible 500 times already? Your obsession with Cathy is so intense, it's almost sexual. Get some help soon.

CinammonSwirl said...

"I doubt that she is nervous around horses if she works with Tbs and rescues."

Yes, because 20 + year old, lame, emaciated, or rehabbing horses are such nutters. Sorry, that statement I cannot take seriously. Just because you rescue, doesn't mean she's this great confident rider. Try reading her block about her future shit stallion. She says she's nervous all the time because he's so tall *gag. He is not* and OMG...he can trot! AOdjaoijf;ofjiaqi! She's such a wuss rider with so little ability, it's sad.

Next time, don't try to say such ignorant statements.

GoLightly said...

DYRNFH
The Champ question.
Real Life story. Why was no-one sent anything other than a form letter?
I asked Fugs for a scan of an invoice of anything, farrier, vet, whatever. Because my money was so paltry, I did not deserve a reply?

I'm waiting, with much baited breath..

Oh, now someone thinks we're almost sekshual..

Go jerk yourself off, dear. Obsession comes in many forms. Enjoying yourself yet?

Anonymous said...

no, not yet

bhm said...

This blog just bashes? Actually, you will find that the majority of the followers on FWOTD also follow and post on FHOTD. They use this blog to post a discussion contrary to Cathy's opinion. It's unfortunate that we have to do this, but the teenagers at fugly get too upset when we disagree with her. This is hardly conducive to a good discussion. I don't think that you understand who posts here and why the choose to do so.

Anonymous said...

I think the TB stallion is rather nice. He'd make a lovely gelding. But like a few others, I thought he looked a bit off in front. The little rider has potential, but needs practice, practice, lessons, lessons. Needs to quiet her leg and hands. Too big a horse for a petite young rider. Good thing the horse seems like a sweetheart.

BTW, Fugly will not wear a helmet. Refuses to. Guess she thinks she's above it all. Here's a girl who's got more sense. Betcha her brain thanks her after each ride.

bhm said...

Anonymous said...

I have no problem that Cathy has not shown her stud under saddle yet, IMO stock horse people start their horses way too young and starting a horse older is not in itself a way to rate the horse. So many horses started younger are retired before they hit 10 yrs old, I start my horses no earlier than 3 and they are still competitive in their later years.
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I agree with you about not starting a horse under three. But, the point is that Cathy rips people apart for not showing their horse before they start in saddle. Her usual point is, "The horse is three. So, why hasn't it been shown in halter or yearly class etc...." In Cathy's opinion any owner of a stallion that age that doesn't have an established show career is an asshat. I have a problem with Cathy saying one thing as gospel while acting in the opposite way.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

DYRNFH
The Champ question.
Real Life story. Why was no-one sent anything other than a form letter?
I asked Fugs for a scan of an invoice of anything, farrier, vet, whatever. Because my money was so paltry, I did not deserve a reply?

I'm sorry I cannot answer that question. I do not know anything about Champ's financial statements, how much money came in or where it all went. I only provided a place for the horse to live for 30 days.

bhm said...

Anonymous said...

This blog reads alot like horsetopia Everyone who agrees with the masses is a great rider, has beautiful horses and are experts in everything
----------------

There are more differences of opinion here than on FHOTD. Fugly has become the latest version of Horsetopia where discussion isn't tolerated. But, don't think about too much as it will cut into your time agreeing with the masses on FHOTD.

Anonymous said...

BHM: "There are more differences of opinion here than on FHOTD. Fugly has become the latest version of Horsetopia where discussion isn't tolerated. But, don't think about too much as it will cut into your time agreeing with the masses on FHOTD."

That is so true! The only time anyone starts a fight is when someone over on the fugly blog comes over here in anon form and picks a fight. A small squabble will start and then we have to gather our bearings once more. I think people here are able to agree to disagree, which you won't find often on the other blog.

~DK

bhm said...

Anonymous said...
Your obsession with Cathy is so intense, it's almost sexual. Get some help soon.
--------------

A Freudian slip maybe? W. isn't concerned whether anyone agrees or disagrees with her. You, on the other hand, are really upset that someone doesn't like Cathy. Your manner is too stalkerish and obsessive. Do you have photos of Cathy covering your bedroom wall?

Anonymous said...

TU QUOQUE (OR SOMETHING)

AbbyAugustArabian said...

Did anyone happen to notice that her saddle is about 400 times too big? That could be a lot of her problem of the leg swinging and seat rocking that I saw. Yes, she looked nervous, but getting on an OTTB stallion that hasn't been off the track that long plus being a 4 y/o would make me nervous too.

I think she did pretty well. I would have liked to see her move him out at the trot and canter a little more so you could see how he moves, and she is tipped a little far foreward. That might also be a defense mechanism for her.

Abby

GoLightly said...

anon 11:52
Well, you must be doing it wrong:):):)

Here, here, BHM!

Thanks, DYRNFH. I appreciate your answer.
The question will remain in this old mind. sorry.

I apologize for my crudeness. I can't believe I typed that, but of course, the weirder comments always make me ReallY wonder..
I know, mine often make me wonder, too.

To Learning, and to Horses.

I've been wondering/worrying about the TB industry for some time, if Magna is losing money, bad news..
For the Horses.

Nobody seems to realize how much the sneering and snarking has actually not helped the animals.
I mean>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
really.

If people like my MB nightmare neighbour can buy them, ANYone is an expert. Can't you hear it, when they aren't?
Guess not. Witness that amazing pro, CW.
Yeah, people pay him. He must be a frickin' genius..

Novice/nervous riders need to find the right trainer. But they do herd ReaL well.

Spring,ReJoice!!

GoLightly said...

(smacks head)

owwww.

Hasn't anyone ever been 12???

To That Kid.. Maybe she (gasp) can't AfforD a new saddle?

OH, NO!!!

trainingemmy said...

Actually, before this blog started and became a watchdog on Cathy's blog, Fugly Horse of the Day was becoming downright scary in its vitriolic take on anything the blog's author didn't agree with or approve. Wenchster started this blog to encourage dialogue. Yes, the dialogue happens to be about Cathy's blog, but Wenchster has never pretended to write about anything else.

I, for one, appreciate how Wenchster's watchdog approach has reined in Cathy's approach--on both of her blogs. It's interesting how a little sunshine on an issue makes its participants more accountable and careful. But that's the power of journalism, particularly citizen journalism. Wenchster has tapped into a fine tradition, and she's doing a good job of keeping the dialogue sane and interesting here.

And honestly, if Wenchster was in it to be famous or for adulation, she would post a heck of a lot more often than she does. Bloggers "train" their viewers to come back and participate by posting often. That's not Wenchster's m.o. That's why I believe her when she says she's doing this to keep Cathy honest.

AbbyAugustArabian said...

Go Lightly,
I was not trying to be snarky. I was just pointing out that her saddle was too big and may be causing her problems that Cathy is getting after her for.
I need to start just lurking, I tend to come off as a bitch online when I don't mean to, this is the third time in two days I have had that problem.

Anonymous said...

Go Lightly,
have you tried emailing Cathy to learn more about the Champ donations? She does have her own rescue, Pony Up for Rescued Equines. Maybe you can contact her through that website.
try http://ponyuprescueDOTcom

Anonymous said...

Abby,
I agree. If her saddle fit her correctly it would put her in a better position. Iron under her seat, leg in proper position, tighter in the saddle, more secure....Would make for a nicer picture.

But you can't deny the kids got mad skills for 12.
anno 100000

ps. I rode a stallion when I was 10,11,12 with no helmet cross country and lived to tell the tale. I had bad parents 30+ years ago!

CharlesCityCat said...

trainin:

Excellent comment there, very good points.

GoLightly said...

Abby,sorry. My bitch meter has been off the charts lately..
I'm tired, and stressed.
Aren't we all?

:)
Kids have a tough time growing into existing tack..

I'll try that, anon 6:07.
Not 'zactly holding my breath, though..
thanks.

AbbyAugustArabian said...

Go Lightly,

Bitch meters everywhere are going off randomly right now. Not your fault. I'm not terribly tactful online.

Abby

Anonymous said...

Abby kind of hit on something when she was talking about the girl seeming to tip forward as a defense mechanism. It reminded me of years ago, working at this huge boarding/training barn. The owner, a shrew woman with a bad attitude and foul temper (I only hope that's changed as it's been reported to me as having been) had a young daughter and son. The son absolutely wanted nothing to do with horses. The daughter did in the beginning but with her mother as her "trainer", a very hard and almost cruel trainer, she began to loathe riding.

We assume when we see children ride it's because they want to. One could only wonder if this child really even wanted to be riding. I too saw the look on the child's face and I don't rightly think she was tense because of the horse, but moreso, was she enjoying riding because she wanted to ride?

~DK

Anonymous said...

TRAININGGEMMY

Whoa, whoa. Did I understand that correctly? Wench is controlling Cathy's behavior thru this blog? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Wow, there's a power trip for ya!



Just my two cents

;-)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

"TRAININGGEMMY

Whoa, whoa. Did I understand that correctly? Wench is controlling Cathy's behavior thru this blog? YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. Wow, there's a power trip for ya!



Just my two cents

;-)"

I, for one, have seen a major attitude adjustment, as well as flashy hat tricks to try to pull attention elsewhere. My my, fugs has exploded in the posting and in the commenting here of late. Makes one wonder.

GoLightly said...

That ponyuprescue was a very interesting read.
My BS meter is singing.
I thought Champ "wasn't really her rescue", and yet a "chelsea" sure as heck rec'd the payPaLment.
Wonder how many thousands they receive.
e-mails, and otherwise...
Thanks again, anon whomever.

Hell hath...
Oh, well, stupid is as stupid does.
I'm talkin' about Me, here..

Anonymous said...

I agree with you Go. Something just doesn't pass the BS meter with the Pony Up...if anyone remembers the lady that came on here and started advocating that Champ had indeed been put down after a month.....her SN had ROSE in it and now there is a Rosemary that is President of Pony Up. Which one of Cathy's personalitys is that? Sorry but I got a hoot out of this line on that sights about us

Cathy has a four year old AQHA stallion who will be making his showing debut this year.


Doesn't a horse have to go through training in order to show???? I guess in Majikal Rainbow Land anyone can show up to a show with an untrained horse and win tons of blue ribbons.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious. How can someone say they are a chicken sh*t re-rider on one hand, then turn around and claim they've ridden for 34 years from polo to barrels?

bhm said...

AbbyAugustArabian,
I don't think that you sound snarky. You made a good point about the saddle fit.

bhm said...

trainingemmy,
I think you are correct. Fugs claims not to read this blog but she definitely responding to it.

kestrel said...

BS meter just blew the roof out! Steam and smoke everywhere!
This is the person slamming rescues, claiming not to do non-profit begging rescues?
Who is the 'perched on her crotch' rider on Gossip Girl and why hasn't she been slam dunked like the kid was?!
I count 5 horses total on the website....and they're being rehabbed as working horses?! Isn't that just cherry picking auctions looking for prospects? Wonder what the adoption fees are. It sure isn't clear from the website.
And, it's just weird how people freak out about stallions. A well trained stud is a lot safer than some spoiled mare or gelding. You ought to see Costa Rica's horse festival. Over a thousand horses, probably a third studs, mares in heat, crowds every where, and not a kick or squeal from a single horse. It's just not tolerated.
Hah, WV is viumeter!

horspoor said...

I actualy prefer to ride stallions. I however have no desire to maintain one.

I prefer mares over geldings. We all have what we like. I'm not too worried about the kid on the stallion. I rode stallions at that age. I didn't ride 'bad' stallions at that age. I didn't ride really 'bad' anything then. My mom and trainer were pretty particular about what I was allowed to ride. Kids can be stupidly fearless.

horspoor said...

really, I can spell actually. lol

Wazzoo said...

I really wish that the comments on this blog didn't allow Anonymous.

And has anyone noticed that Fugly doesn't post ANYTHING about the VLC anymore? Surely she gets updates from this amazing trainer she sent her horse to...or at least checks on him and his progress...right?

And that TB's sales video, Fugly complains that people do too much when they do these sales video's...like the tarps and chairs, here is a person who has a rider, regardless of age, wearing the right apparel and riding the horse, not doing any special tricks, just riding the horse. What more does she want?

I am thankful every day I wake up that I am not as judgmental as Fugly.

I tried that link to her ponyuprescue.com, but it didn't work...anyone else have a link or did Fugly take it down?

And to the Anon who asked how many horses has anyone or Wench saved...I just want to say, it's not the quantity of how many you save, it's the quality of how they are saved. Some people don't have to brag about the numbers. The satisfaction of the success can be enjoyed quietly. Not everyone needs that virtual pat on the back to get the job done.

The Comfy Cob said...

This link works, the site is still up.

http://www.ponyuprescue.com

GoLightly said...

IsThis AnyBetter

Unbelievable, really. I sure did pony up some dough. Paltry, to all the wealthy people out there of course.
Like some horse rescues, I guess..
Not all. Like there IS good/great western people out there. Good/great english people. racing people, etc.etc.
I was lucky to have found a few.

I bloody hope so, anyWay
FOR THE FRICKIN HORSES.

Oh well, I can still look at myself in the mirror, and know I don't lie. Ever. Intentionally.
Wish you could make money that way.
Honesty is not a trait well known in the horse world, the strangest spinner on earth.
bye-bye.

Ooh, wazzoo, if the http still has an s on the end, i.e. https, you have to remove it when copy/pasting. I learned thaT much.
Click master, I am not:)

Yes, I know several kids who didn't want to be in the tack.
Never could understand that:)

Or they were in that place of detachment, where they are there for the "look". Not really riding the horse, just sittin' on 'em.

Horses are a luxury item, oh yes indeed. If you're into that sort of thing. Have the excessive money and all.

I liked the horses, myself.
Just me, though.

quite the triumvirate they are, anyway.

How Is the paper shredding going??

GoLightlyFact&Fiction

Wazzoo said...

Thank you GoLightly =) That link worked great!

I have a question about that rescue...who is riding the POA? iin the bottom picture on the Available Horses page?

The Wenchster said...

Kestrel said...
I count 5 horses total on the website....and they're being rehabbed as working horses?! Isn't that just cherry picking auctions looking for prospects? Wonder what the adoption fees are. It sure isn't clear from the website.


I might get boo-ed for saying this.
I do not consider any rescue a "rescue" that just purchases horses at auction claiming to keep it from a kill buyer.(If that is their definition of a rescue, then there are a bunch of people down here in Texas that are a rescue) In my eyes that is no different than a horse trader who just sweeps in to get the cheapest stock at auction so they can retrain and later on sale/trade for a slight profit.

I just looked at the pony up site and if you read their mission statement, it sounds no different than a training facility. They are only interested in "the diamonds in the rough". Only aimed at rescuing the horses they can train for competition. I can only imagine the fee's they are going to charge for "adoption".
Sorry but that's a bunch of crock. They claim to want to train the horses to keep them from slaughter. But do they honestly think a kill buyer is going to care if Fluffy is the bestest riding horse in the world that has 5 grand champions, money/prizes won? I guess this is just another way Cathy is going to earn her income. Wonder how long before the paypal donate button will be up?

Anonymous said...

Kestrel,

The rider on the POA mare is none other than Cathy herself.

GoLightly said...

Wench!
Booed??
Are you kidding me?
It's what I've been thinking to myself for ages. Glad you were able to keep it to a thousand words or less.
Brevity is not one of my talents.

wazzoo. I t'ink it's the fugs.
The overly posed position is pretty diagnostic. Could be wrong, don't want to go look again.
shucks, links are eaZy.
Just took me a year to figure it out..
Takes me a while, but I get there.

My god, my worst concerns/suspicions are coming into the harsher light of day.

Yeah, don't rescue them all, just the good cheap ones. Good bucks to be made there, right, Sarcasta?
Support your local auction, sheeple. That's how SOME trainers and SOME schools and SOME camps can make their dough.

To Horses. Poor beasties..

Nd_Appy said...

*headdesk* That is so not a rescue.

A rescue is where they RESCUE horses. Not buy them from the auction because they are trainable and they can make money off them, THAT is a business.

Is that Cathy? God, she should be ragging on people for how they ride. My hubby who doesn't ride, looks better in the saddle then her.

KC said...
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H.M. said...

Anyone should be able to tell that horse is SO sore on his front end. And could his wraps make it any more obvious? Trying to hide something, anyone? As someone whose career is with OTTBs (and this is an OTTB), I can say it's very apparent what they're trying to pull. He's a GORGEOUS horse otherwise.

The rider is not advanced, probably not advanced to be riding your typical 4yo stallion. But duh, hello, we can see this stallion is not gonna do anything. Blame it on his lameness (she has to work hard to keep him going at a trot), but it looks perfectly fine to me. She is young and learning, and there's nothing wrong with that. Her balance is still all in her upper body. If she's working for H/J then slightly shorter stirrups might help her find her balance in her thighs, H/J stirrups are going shorter and shorter these days. Her leg right now serves no purpose but to press him on, and obviously that's not enough to be "perfect", but WHO THE HECK CARES, CATHY? Now we've gone on to bashing little 12 year olds?

Hmm... I think we should put two certain videos side-by-side, shall we? Yes, that would be a very good idea... I certainly know which of those two would show the more appropriate riding skill.

bhm said...

Yes, that's right. Tear apart a child's riding (she probably got a ton of hate mail) while Fugs rides the way she does. The POA photo is shockingly bad.

Has anyone written to find out the adoption fee for Pony up?

kestrel said...

I sent them an email from the pony up site and it was returned as "undeliverable, no such user here." I also checked out the fees of some of the barn links involved, wow. SUMbuddy's making good money! It's sad, I really respected the Fugly website at first, but then it IS the internet. Anybody can claim to be anyone. I'm saddened. Bashing kids really gets my dander up though. All of us go through the learning curve, and publicly trashing a kid who really is trying should be beneath any adult.

Wazzoo said...

March 20, 2009 7:02 AM
Anonymous said...
Kestrel,

The rider on the POA mare is none other than Cathy herself.

March 20, 2009 7:42 AM



HOLY COW!!! That is some bad riding. I can't believe that is her...with all her bashing on other people...wow.

Wench said...
I might get boo-ed for saying this.
I do not consider any rescue a "rescue" that just purchases horses at auction claiming to keep it from a kill buyer.(If that is their definition of a rescue, then there are a bunch of people down here in Texas that are a rescue) In my eyes that is no different than a horse trader who just sweeps in to get the cheapest stock at auction so they can retrain and later on sale/trade for a slight profit.

I just looked at the pony up site and if you read their mission statement, it sounds no different than a training facility. They are only interested in "the diamonds in the rough". Only aimed at rescuing the horses they can train for competition. I can only imagine the fee's they are going to charge for "adoption".
Sorry but that's a bunch of crock. They claim to want to train the horses to keep them from slaughter. But do they honestly think a kill buyer is going to care if Fluffy is the bestest riding horse in the world that has 5 grand champions, money/prizes won? I guess this is just another way Cathy is going to earn her income. Wonder how long before the paypal donate button will be up?


You hit the nail on the head...my sister does this, buys all the run throughs at a horse sale, takes them home, trains them, puts them on horse for sale sites on the net, although she does really well with it, she calls herself a horse-trader, not a rescue. Makes me want to call her up and tell her that horse traders are now called Rescues...hahahaha!

Anonymous said...

Looked at the ponyup site. I confess it makes a great deal more sense to me to pick up horses at auctions that someone might actually want to own and ride. Everyone has a different take on what they wish to save from the can or from suffering.
Ideally no horses would suffer and everything would be happy and healthy and well-fed and loved until the end of its days. Until then those who feel like saving foals or the starving or old race horses can each save what they like.
I absolutely approved of anyone taking on a decent but neglected or unwanted horse and putting some training on it to increase its value. That is a real rescue which will put the horse on the road to always have a home. "Cherry picking?" of course. One has to select whatever one feels the urge to help. I see no point in filling up every available space with unrideable, unwanted horses- only so many places for pasture pets these days.
Of course one wants as many of those helped as one can but most people want a horse to do something. If that horse was one that was neglected or cast off or bought at auction when it might have been sent to slaughter instead of being made sound and useable and sought after a person may even be more inclined to purchase it.
There is nothing misrepresentative on the ponyup site that I can see. Whether finances will measure up I am unable to judge. It does seem to me that their statement is straightforward and reasonable. They are choosing to put time and effort into horses which will have riding careers and the potential to always keep a home. Nothing wrong with that. They aren't threatening to kill anything, they aren't guilting anyone into paying to save from a feedlot.
They appear to have a screening process and are representing the horses as coming from potentially bad backgrounds.
Ok, if it doesn't meet your requirements of a "rescue" organization you don't need to donate to it. So far looks like a very reasonable proposition to me. If you'd rather donate to the old horse retirement home, do that.

GoLightly said...

"They aren't threatening to kill anything, they aren't guilting anyone into paying to save from a feedlot. "

Like Champ?
Just sayin'. If they don't cut it, they are euthed. At the overly-emotional expense of other idiots, like me.

They are "rescuing".
They are supporting the auction business. They are taking the emaciated, as well, you know.
ThaT sells:)

Not exactly supporting the industry.
Oh, right.
They ArE.
(the auction/slaughter industry that is)

Not the people trying to breed a good horse for riding.
Oh, right, those people don't exist, either.

Of course...

horspoor said...

I guess I kind of 'cherry pick' my rescues. I'm not a rescue. I do one or two a year. I don't go to auctions. I buy them locally. I can't afford to take a horse that I go in knowing it is going to have massive vet bills. Will never be sound, or useable.

I have to pick those I can afford to save. Those I think have a good shot at a forever home, whether it's a show home, or a trail riding home. If I took the ones that could never be rehabbed, I wouldn't be able to do anymore.

Yes, I take the walking anatomy lessons, horses that have 'issues', and those that have a lameness or injury that I'm pretty sure I can work with, that will heal over time.

Perhaps when I'm too gimped up to ride and train I'll take the future pasture ornaments. Right now, I can take horses, rehab them, find them homes, and refill their spot with the next one.

Have I made any profit off the 'rescues'? No, I think I may have broke even a few times. One I sold for $1500, I had at least $7000 in. But I 'cherry picked' the owner, I felt she would be a good match for the filly. I knew her financial situation. The horse is probably worth more than $6000 now.

The new owner has done a great job with the filly. I'd started the filly. She asked if I wanted to continue her training. I declined...I was already attached after having her for 3 years, I didn't think it was a good idea.

I picked her up at 5mths old. Skinny, filthy, with ringworm in a pen, next to a pig pen that the affluent flowed into the filly's pen. (The filly stank). She'd never had a halter on, but had been moved to two different farms. When I asked how, they said, "Oh we just mugged her and threw her in the trailer." Great, she was just loving people at this point. The term 'wild as a March hare' comes to mind.

She sent her to another trainer in the area. Worked out well. So, no I'm not making a mint here. I also don't advertise horses for sale. I only sell by word of mouth. I always include a buy-back clause in all my bills of sale.

kestrel said...

Reading their site finances, check out the upgrades for shelters. That's something that directly benefits the farm owner, using donated funds. The boarding fees add up, too.
As far as picking up horses for resale....it's called horsetrading, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. A lot of people can and do make good money at it. Just don't try to bullshit me with...it's a rescue. Don't honk the public to line your own pocket with donated boarding and training fees.
Besides, a lot of those horses were never going to the kill buyers anyway. They are really not the first people on the planet to figure out that you can go to an auction and get a good horse cheap, train it and resell it! Most people board and train out of their own pocket because it is a business.

kestrel said...

HP, good for you! Guilty of the same thing, but like you I do it because I love it. Seeing a horse come back and finding the right owner for them is priceless. I just wouldn't think it fair to ask someone else to support my expensive habit ;)

CharlesCityCat said...

There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Rehabbing, training and finding new homes for horses is nothing but good, but it should be called what it is, a rehab/training business.

horspoor said...

Some of my students, and friends that know me well say things like, "You are not allowed to go look at that horse." Now this isn't the normal, oh, it's so beautiful I must have it. The worse the horse looks the more adamant that I not see it. They know it will come home.

CharlesCityCat said...

Kestrel:

Thanks for the comment on the vitex for the cushings. Will check it out.

Might help me too.

bhm said...

Anon,
The problem with your statement is that Fugs has featured Virginia sports horses on FHOTD for doing this exact thing. i have no problem with fugs or HP doing this. It amounts to whether they are making a profit that determines if they are a rescue or not. I don't have the financial information to determine if this is a true rescue.

bhm said...

Also,
Virginia Sports Horse do sell Warmbloods so they are entitled to refer to them as sports horses.

trainingemmy said...

To the anon who wrote "Whoa. Whoa. Etc.," yes, I do think a blog like Wenchster's can and does have an impact on Cathy's choices. The reason that there are journalists (whether they write opinion pieces or report stories) is to help keep an eye on powerful people who may be abusing their power. Cathy, by virtue of her blog's popularity, has become a powerful person. It's important to put checks and balances on that power.

Wenchster doesn't always get it right, but she's willing to admit when she makes a mistake. She embodies what I consider to be the benefits of citizen journalists. She's generally careful in her approach. She does research when she can, and she provides a voice of opposition and caution in regards to Cathy's blog.

So, yes, I do think it's possible. I'm surprised, though, that you haven't seen a difference in Cathy's posts recently. She's being more cautious, in general, and that's a good thing.

trainingemmy said...

As for the rescue, is anyone really surprised? This is what all of this has been leading toward all along, I think. The set-up is pretty slick. Cathy knows how to marshal her resources, I'll give her that.

horspoor said...

Why would selling WB's make the determination on Sporthorse designation?

Well, I guess I'm a privately funded rescue, as I tend to loose my a$$ on these horses. lol

Anonymous said...

I understand you haven't received sufficient documentation of money spent on Champ, GoLightly. I can understand you are upset about that. However, I read the whole Champ thing. Start to finish. The Champ saga started as an auction report. There are regular ones posted by various other people.
Someone decided that horse needed to be saved, not Fugly. Fugly acted as an intermediary. She did not propose "OMG we gotta save this horse and that horse, send money now!". Someone wanted to save it, others said they would chip in and help out. Fugly said she would arrange it.
Now, who donated what, where it went or how it was spent- that I wouldn't know. I didn't contribute and wouldn't have anyway- I don't know Fugly or anyone else on that list from Adam. I am not terribly pleased with the way local rescues spend money either so frankly they don't get my support in most instances. Accountability as a complaint, yes. No problem with that. I still lack any sort of proof that the whole Champ thing was a deliberate attempt to defraud anyone and it was never done under the auspices of her own or anyone's rescue organization.
Now this other ponyup thing, well, I would be expecting the treasurer to actually produce financial records if they are actively seeking funds. I do not see that Cathy is in charge of the funds in this instance and I don't know anyone on that board either. On the surface so far they seem to be getting ready to rehab usable horses. If there begins to be evidence something else is going on I'll be happy to hear about it. I also have no intention of donating to that particular rescue though I support its goals. I don't know any of those people.
You are all crying about hypocrisy and bashing and waiting to hear the full story when it comes to her but then the same is not given. That's okay too but equally hypocritical. As an observer I think it is a little early to be crying foul until we know foul exists. For all I know Fugly is terrible with paperwork and bookkeeping and that is one reason she hasn't accounted for Champ properly and isn't in charge of this ponyup operations finances. I don't recall her saying she was good at that only that if a RESCUE is asking for funds they should be able to account for it.
Champ doesn't quite make it as the work of a rescue as it seemed to be a spur-of-the-moment inspiration from a reader which snowballed and was cobbled together without clear direction of who was accoutable for what other than paying for the horse, and paying for his board and some bills- but what went to his temporary owner, what went to Fugly, never very clear to me from the beginning. Obviously as I said in the beginning, not satisfactory but also not necessarily all their is or will be to that or any other actual rescue organization story.
Since I am not a basher and don't jump on the bandwagon about judgement and hypocrisy based on internet heresay, I'm not about to apply it in this situation either.
I realize that this board exists to bash Cathy. I do wonder at the extra fine focus some of you are using to do it however. Little to no "bashing" occurred on the 12 year old especially by Fugly herself. All of the comments you read and what you came away with was "Fugs is getting desperate she's bashing kids!" ? Not at all what I read myself.
I'm not defending Fugly but I am rather tired of hearing all her readers described as bashers, hate mongers, frenzied, etc. Never been true and even less so lately. You screamed when you read her as encouraging bashing and attack at others. She stopped writing overly inflammatory posts and you screamed she was reduced to stupid, pointless attacks because she couldn't find anything else to complain about. You screamed she posted without documentation and then screamed when didn't post items for which she didn't have documentation.
I of course accept this position because you exist merely to bash and express frustration at absolutely anything said on Fugly but really, as an outside observer it doesn't make all that much sense.
And you know, if I hear one more time other opinions are not welcome I may scream. Because others don't agree with you doesn't mean you aren't free to post them. Post away- believe me more people read and process the arguments than engage in them. If you post pro-slaughter you'll get lots of disagreement because most posters seem to be anti-slaughter. Doesn't mean you aren't free to post and be heard. Lots of people there just shouting out various frustrations- not necessarily everyone's cup of tea, admittedly.
I was of course brought up to be polite and not engage in hate campaigns- others haven't obviously. Plenty of people threatening CEOs at AGI for example. If you are out in the public eye, particularly on the internet, anyone and everyone can call you on whatever they see. Which is why it pays to only put something you're proud of out there.
I do dumb things around horses all the time- I just don't post video and photos on-line for people to see. Anyone really is entitled to an opinion even if they aren't qualified to make it. I can recognize bad conformation and poor riding even if my horses are fuglies and I suck at riding. I kind of suck at politics and government too but believe me I have an opinion!

Sorry to be so long winded- I do appreciate that I've found one or two good blogs by reading back through wench, so I'll take that away with me.
Oh an kestrel- saw your post about the 12 year old, saw a few others that said similar, saw very few posts about the rider in general. So yeah, even if people aren't jumping up and down and responding they are in fact reading other viewpoints. So important exposure.
I myself didn't look at video because I don't care about anyone else's riding unless it involves cruelty or bad training techniques- that I want to be educated about. One more perchy unbalanced hunter rider? Couldn't care less. My world is full of them and damn, I'm probably still more like that than I care to think about despite not riding hunters in years. Off hand I suppose most readers know they are better or worse than what they see but can still appreciate the fact that it's been pointed it.

Anonymous said...

charles city cat
Just noticed your comment about Kestrel mentioning vitex for Cushings. Check out Evitex at I think green valley botanicals- they make a liquid supplement that is outstanding. I have used it to regulate mares and also for Cushings with excellent results.
And chasteberry capsules actually straightened out my own cycles for a while- very commonly used for women's issues.
Now I'm done and back to real life.

horspoor said...

So is Evitex or vitex working better than Pergolide? I know a great mare with cushings, and the Pergolide doesn't seem to be cutting it.

sarcastabitch said...

Yeah, don't rescue them all, just the good cheap ones. Good bucks to be made there, right, Sarcasta?

Only because you asked.

It is a tough balance, I think. f a rescue is funded by the public, I think the rescue should be making an effort at triage. Hmm, saving the ones with the best chance, I guess. Otherwise they are really a retirement home. If they can't ever adopt out anything, they can't help as many horses.

On the other hand, buying a horse at auction and rehabbing it then selling sounds a lot like buying-training-reselling. Sometimes. I think that Scarlett horse was bought at auction too; she was definitely RESCUED. She'd have died without her rescuer. Some people can make money with auction/classified finds; if their overhead is low and their skills are high...I don't think many rescues turn a profit with adoption fees under $3000 though.

That's the question I guess. If you buy and resell, at a loss or break even, are you a rescue or just not very good at running a business?

I guess I liken it to the SPCA. Funded by tax dollars, I don't want the cages full of unadoptable crazy dogs. They'll stay there. That's not good for them, some dogs just can't be fixed with the means the SPCA has at their disposal. Those unadoptables mean that bad things happen to dogs who COULD be adopted. Lots of nice adoptable dogs out there. I want them to have the best chance, I guess.

Finally, if a rescue is privately funded (completely) then I really couldn't care less what their policies are. If they only want to rescue, for example, the vicious Pomeranians that are black, go for it. If they want to charge $5000 for those rehabbed Poms, go for it. A rescue doesn't HAVE to be a charity.

Anonymous said...

If Pergolide isn't working do try the Evitex. No guarantee it will work either but it might. Different horses respond differently but many get very good results. It isn't instantaneous of course. ;) Evitex isn't cheap but it is cheaper than Pergolide and as I said, know lots of horses get very good results with it. I can't myself attest to it being better or helping if Pergolide doesn't work because Evitex has always been the first step with Insulin Resistant or hormonally challenged horses around here! So far that has been all it took.
It is definitely worth a try. You can read more about Evitex on the website- I use and recommend it because it appears to be a consistently controlled amount of the herb and is easy to adminster and quite palatable according to the horses. Again, no guarantees but I've seen enough success with it to recommend it- my vet approves as well, so I have no comlaints. And really, really terrific stuff for mares too. I'm not sure what kind of results others get with something other than the brand I use either, but hopefully if it is a standardized herb it should work too.

The Wenchster said...

Kestrel said...
HP, good for you! Guilty of the same thing, but like you I do it because I love it. Seeing a horse come back and finding the right owner for them is priceless. I just wouldn't think it fair to ask someone else to support my expensive habit ;)

CCC said...
There is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Rehabbing, training and finding new homes for horses is nothing but good, but it should be called what it is, a rehab/training business.



Exactly, that is what I was trying to get at, but am not as eloquent a writer as the both of you.
I do not consider the purchase of a horse at auction a "rescue", that is a personal purchase.

I would consider a rescue horse one that has been given to the rescue for FREE(owner surrender), one that has been removed by law enforcement and turned over to the rescue per a judge, or a sent in from another rescue that may be failing or running out of space.
One rescue that I am a huge fan of that does great work down here in Texas is Bluebonnet Equine. They receive horses that are from law enforcement seizures, owner surrender, or when a near by rescue is unable to take anymore. You won't find any of that "We saved this one from a auction where he MIGHT have ended up slaughter bound." Most of their horses are from owner surrender due to being investigated for animal neglect or horses that a judge has awarded to them after law enforcement stepped in.
Bluebonnet is very honest about all the issues the horses have, clearly lable if they are trained, companion only, and any vices. They send these horses out to professional trainers and adopt out after the proper checks for reasonable prices(under $900 for a well broke horse that is sound). The unbroke but sound horses that are available are up for adoption during the time they are being trained. This is a reputable rescue, this is what I consider a well commanded and well run rescue.

http://bluebonnetequine.org/horses/available.htm

horspoor said...

Thanks for the info Anon. I'll check out the site on Evitex.

Saracasta...I don't get my 'rescues' because I'm thinking dollar signs in my future. Most have come home because I just couldn't leave them where they were, in the condition they were in. One I actually held off for over a week. Then I couldnt sleep for thinking about her, and went and gave the woman the money she was asking (way too much money, by the way) and brought the horse home.

Anonymous said...

Sarcasta,
Well, that sort of sums up my feeling about the subject too. Others mileage may vary of course. The only distinction I have about the retraining/ rehabbing/ rescue or horse trading difference really is intent.
If your intent is to make a living and generate a profit without regard as to who can buy a horse or what they can do with it, that's horsetrading. And most of what I consider horsetraders are NOT in the rehab business. They are not going to spend months training and retraining a prospect, getting it healthy and sound. Yes, they go to auction or private seller and buy the best available for the cheapest they can get it then turn around and resell it for more than they paid for it- preferably without needing to put ANY training or rehab into it. Good ones evaluate training and temperament and offer good, inexpensive appropriate stock to appropriately skilled riders.
Horse traders want to spend as little time and money possible in turning around a saleable horse so they don't in general qualify as "rescue" in my experience except in the general sense that these days you can find an awful lot of trained sound horses for next to nothing to resell. A horse trader who buys the cheap ones that need feeding, lots of rehab and lots of training before selling have rescued that horse but because it is for sale to anyone doesn't qualify as a rescue.
Again, if you are taking in horses in need of rehab and training to be made useful and aren't in it for profit, screen and track the horses that are adopted- well, that's rescue enough in my book. Lots of people rescue or do rescue on a small basis- they just don't solicit money from others.
I myself am not a trainer. I don't need pasture ornaments as I don't have a pasture. Any horse I buy or adopt from somewhere had better be sane, sound enough for casual riding and trained to ride. I have no need for fugly foals (had one thanks and it cost thousands to raise and train him to adulthood), cripples (happy to pitch in for euthanasia or a retirement pasture for those I know and love), unbroken ANYTHING in fact. I'm happy to try and get broke horses that have hit hard times placed, adopt a decent horse, etc. I'm glad some people are- there is room enough I hope in helping animals for everyone to do what they can for the group that they feel the most sympathy or need for.

The Wenchster said...

Horsepoor have you ever tried Smart Control IR?
It's a pretty good product to help aid in cushings.

sarcastabitch said...

I don't get my 'rescues' because I'm thinking dollar signs in my future.

Hmm, true. Do you operate as an official rescue, or are you just a person who tries to help out where you can?

The key difference, IMNSHO, is that if you're an official rescue/charity, you need to be accountable to your donors. Look at the controversy with Champ, even. When people donate money, they want to know that the people spending it are doing so with some level of responsibility, which does include making some money wherever possible to take the burden off the people kind enough to support the rescue.

Now, my proviso there, you should be checking into the accountability thing before donating. Pick a rescue that operates in a way that aligns with your morals/values/opinions. Donation is a little "buyer beware" too. So, I'd never donate to the vicious-black-Pomeranian only rescue, as I prefer the golden Pomeranians and disagree with that rescue's policy.

So, horspoor, I guess that if you're an "official" rescue, maybe you do have to look at least a little bit for dollar signs, and balance that with need? I dunno, that's how I see it.

GoLightly said...

"Someone decided that horse needed to be saved, not Fugly."
Yes, Fug posted it, LaMexicana did stuff about it, "the video", and chelcblu accepted the payment, and fugs e-mailed the "statement".
Sounds like a three-some to me. Maybe I'm just too cynical.
DYRNFH says she allowed the horse to stay at her farm.
For free?
Oh, please don't get me wrong. I am glad, if the story is all true.
A horse like Champ deserves a kind end. It's the fugs underlining of how it ShoulD be done, and then when asked for verification, per her own very smart words, being refused, that bothered my BS meter.
Still does.
It's a very fine line..

To Horses.
Painfully horseless/stupid out.

word verf is
cavellia
LOL!

The Wenchster said...

What about Butch Golightly? How many mares has he bred this year?

horspoor said...

No, I'm not an official rescue. I have no desire to be. The head of one of the local rescues here was laughing with/at me a couple years ago. I'd rescued half as many horses for the year that they had. She told me she was going to write my 501c3 proposal, and show me how to set up a non profit.

I gave my last rescue to an ex-student. She kept him for a few months, got him alittle farther along the road to recovery. He is now in another good home, and them woman plans to keep him for life. I speak to the woman frequently and help out where I can. Very very nice woman with the right attitude.

On the Champ deal. I know one of his previous owners. He hangs out at the local watch and wager, horse betting place. I went and posted a printout of Champ's memorial page, and hung it up on their bulletin board. It was pulled down in a couple hours.

bhm said...

A rescue doesn't HAVE to be a charity.
----------
SB,
This is the only thing that I disagree with. If it's a business making money then it's horse trading and not a rescue. If it's taking donations and has a charitable status number then it definitely has to be non-profit.

Anonymous said...

goddamn you people are pathetic.

bhm said...

GL,
This whole Champ mess could have been easily taken care of. All she had to do was write up an account statement and post images of receipts on her blog. Then everything is there to read.

It gives me an uneasy feeling when a group of people are unwilling to show financial records.

sarcastabitch said...

If it's taking donations and has a charitable status number then it definitely has to be non-profit.

I agree with you on the charitable status number. It can't run a profit at year's end. If it does, that needs to be fed right back into the rescue.

The donations part was the fuzzy bit. Any organization can solicit for donations...provided they report them as income. I think, anyway. As long as they aren't misrepresenting themselves, I don't think there's anything legally wrong with a business soliciting money. (Morally, on the other hand, well, let's just say I wouldn't donate)

bhm said...

Yes, you can defer revenue to the following fiscal.

I don't know what PU's financial plans are so I'll withhold my comments on where it's a good rescue or not until I have further info.

GoLightly said...

Wench, LOL!

Poor guy, he's been very quiet. Not many takers for a 52 year old stallyun with three hidden testicles. Andalusians of Grandeur had a nice purply-sparkled prospect. Three legs though. You can't breed three to three, I've always heard.

And the ones who are takers, haven't the big time dollars I'm lookin' for. He's an hairloom. I still can't believe he's not even showing his frame. Tough.
I may have to switch to AI..

"I don't think there's anything legally wrong with a business soliciting money"
Unless you're a
Oh, never mind.
Bad Butch, he made me say that:)

I don't solicit enough, is my problem. Not enough of the killer sales instinct. If people don't know what they want, why do I have to tell them? I gotta do some training for a huge-ish customer, on invoicing. I know how to invoice. I don't think they DO.
sorry..
Rather be riding. But I'm not. Thanks for the smile, Wench.

needed thaT.

To Your Lovely Horses.
Love 'em up, 4me.

TGIF, huh?
My dogs beckon, little darlin's.

Good luck to HP and CCC, thank goodness your animals have you, at least.
(click)
dial-tone..

Dena said...

I only got part way through this.
My oh my...
I enjoyed watching the video.
I enjoyed watching the 2 work together and be aware of each other.
It was nice...

Oh and yes, I am back.

CharlesCityCat said...

Anon:

Kestrel had mentioned the Vitex based on another mutual site. I wanted to make sure she saw that I got it. I was actually posting about my 11 yo Dalmation who has just finally been dx'd with Cushings. I am not willing to put him through the conventional medical tx's due to his age and the many related negative aspects of such tx's.

Kestrel has kindly provided me with an option to at least help my boy be happier.

Thank you as well, the more info I get the more I can help Spot to live out the rest of his life being comfortable.

CharlesCityCat said...

Dena:

How was your trip? E-mail me.

emack said...

she's not an awful rider, but her legs aren't great. good thing he's such a quiet boy.

CharlesCityCat said...

Sarcastabitch:

I would appreciate it if you would e-mail me @ spnkymac@aol.com. I would like to clear up a few things without boring the hell out of others on this blog. I would like to try to understand where you are coming from and wish to express to you where I am coming from.

Based on what I have heard from very reliable sources, you are trash talking me. I would like to know why.

Dena said...

Okay...Now...I...read...it...all...
The girl is 12. You can see it all over her face what a WOW moment it is for her.
Can everyone remember what that felt like? To be on an animal like that and know that you are there because they have chosen to allow you to be? The soft eye on that horse tells the story.
Good God I have never seen so many self-professed experts on...well...ummm...everything.
Let it go already.
On the subject of OTTBs some are fabulous. Amazing. And true babysitters. And some are insane.
And the rest come in somewhere in between.
Just like people. Imagine that. I really wish the Anons of the other site would just pack their junk back to the place it most fits.
And where is rosesr4ever?
And CCC?
Am I missing something? I honestly have not seen where Sarcasta is gunning for anyone.
I get what she is saying. It is actually one of the most concise breakdowns of the rescue masquerade I have thus far seen.
People are tired of stories for dollars. I am tired of stories for dollars.
But as long as someone sends a dollar we will keep seeing and hearing them.
Over, and over, and over...
It is a reality of life that where there are people there will be corruption.

CharlesCityCat said...

Dena:

Sarcastabitch has trash talked me on another site, not this one. Copy and paste can be a real bitch.

I don't mind taking blame where blame is due, but I refuse to be abused for something I am not guilty of. That is why I have requested that she e-mail me. I respect that Wench doesn't like these personal disputes to go on and on here and I refuse to get involved with her on that lame excuse for a board that she is on where she trashed me.

Enough said.

horspoor said...

Wenchster, I just saw the post regarding the Smart Control IR. I will pass this info on.

Dena said...

CCC-Thanks for clarifying. I thought I had missed something.

Sarcasta-CCC is one of my fave posters and people.
She never picks the fight. Never...
I have so appreciated the change in your posting tone that I have seen here.
You make some really awesome points.
But please don't slide on this particular hill. CCC is awesome you should email her.

CCC the Winchester does not like personal dispute here? Are you funning me?
Just Kidding...Don't shoot...

Dena said...

I was doing some registering and scanning over some results.
Yes, it was illumifying. Is that a word? I hope so because it sounds good. And I like it.
Anyhoo, would anyone care to hazard a guess as to who may have dropped/lost/misplaced...ummm... about 6,000 readers?

And Madam Wenchster you have now quantified. Yes Maam, you are now recorded there.
Very cool...

It is a beautiful day in rainbow land where the sun is always shining and butterflies are flying out of everyones butts.

Con Cerned @ Equine Industry's Future said...

I think she's a decent little rider!

http://horseshamecity.blogspot.com/

bhm said...

Anyhoo, would anyone care to hazard a guess as to who may have dropped/lost/misplaced...ummm... about 6,000 readers?
--------------

That's a considerable loss. Where did you get the information?

Dena said...

BHM
quantcast.com
You know the only place that really matters for accuracy according to some Anons.
They estimated the Wenches readership at about 2,000 per month which I thought waqs pretty cool.

kestrel said...

Waving....Hi Dena! Welcome home!

Dena said...

Hey Kestrel.
Is the snow gone yet? It is here.
WooHoo!!!

kestrel said...

Snivel...still snow, but it's melting. Oh well, I have to work today so can always pacify myself with "can't ride today anyway!"

CharlesCityCat said...

Yep, just as I thought, bullys are always cowards.

Sarcastabitch you are a joke.

Anonymous said...

"Yep, just as I thought, bullys are always cowards.

Sarcastabitch you are a joke."

You got that right, CCC.

Dena said...

Sarcasta
I really hope you are on vacation or something.
I hate it when people I like fight.
It makes everything so awkward.
CCC is pretty easy to get along with.
Forgiving too. She isn't real well known for tolerating an excess amount of bullshit though.
I want to believe that you have what it takes to step up to the plate. Wrong or Right.

Dena said...

CCC
I think I fixed it.

General Notice To All
http://upyourssunshine.blogspot.com
A alternative forum for anger management issues.lol

sarcastabitch said...

I only get 24 hours to reply before I'm a joke! Yikes!

As I have posted before, I post in fits and starts. I do not always have access to computers and travel a lot. Terribly sorry.

Anonymous said...

As I have posted before, I post in fits and starts. I do not always have access to computers and travel a lot. Terribly sorry.

Awful convenient that this was one of the times that you were away.

sarcastabitch said...

Brother.

Was I supposed to say: "CharlesCityCat, you have mail?"

She did express a desire to keep this OFF this blog.

Anonymous said...

True and I respect CCC. You? I have no respect for at all. You've hardly been in the position to garner it. I think the lack of what you had to say said more than the snarky remark you made when you came on.

Dena said...

Good Grief. Not my site. Not appointed moderator.
Will share an opinion. Until I see what was supposedly written I am not having an opinion.
I should point out that I believe there may be a misunderstanding in that I have been where it supposedly is and have seen NADA.

On another note, did Fugs withdraw from Horse Traffic Top Horse Sites?
Much as I would like to believe she has simply slipped off the page due to lack of popularity it was a little too rapid to seem the case.

rosesr4ever where are you? I can not even believe it but I have an
"An Early Invitation" filly coming and I want to hear from you onthe temperament and everything.

nccatnip said...

Sorry wench for the hijack-
Funny Sarcasta, you have been doing plenty of posting on other boards since CCC asked you for an explaination so your "fits and starts" does not hold true in this case.
Trash talking with no validity will always come back to bite you.
IP tracker is your friend, ain't it? Well, mine in this case, maybe not yours.

CharlesCityCat said...

Just to let everyone know, Sarcasta e-mailed me last evening, we are discussing the situation between the two of us.

Anon 12:37:

No need to waste your time feeling badly for me. I can and do take very good care of myself.

sarcastabitch said...

IP tracker is your friend, ain't it? Well, mine in this case, maybe not yours.

nccatnip, you know where to find me. You want to continue your catfight, take it there. This is getting ridiculous.

sarcastabitch said...

One more, for nccatnip. Before you harass the owner of the IP address you THINK is mine, you should know that during the MST 24 hour period of March 21st, there is no way I posted/visited ANY websites.

Dena said...

Wenchster

Where are the babies? I am waiting.
Tried patiently.
Where are the babies?
Are we there yet?
You get the picture.
You are not still sick are you?

Jennifer said...

Just something you might want to keep in mind if you keep posting 'answers' to Fugly's posts...

When someone is reading two opposite perspectives on an issue, they are much more likely to be persuaded by the side whose argument is better-written and uses proper spelling, grammar, and paragraph structure. This is true regardless of who's more factually correct, or whether or not the reader knows anything at all about the subject matter.

Whether you like her or not, Fugly is clearly well-educated and an excellent writer. Criticisms of her would be best presented by someone who can match her writing ability.

Dena said...

Jennifer
Constructive criticism I think?:)
Well here is another thought.
I can spell and use in proper context words like, fat, fat ass bitch, hill billy, white trash, inbred hill billy white trash, and a host of others.
I simply choose not to.
Because I do not like the connotations.
But that is just me.
And I do think using words and phrasing like that speaks volumes about the author.
But again, that is just me.:)

CharlesCityCat said...

Jennifer:

There is no disputing that Fugly is an educated, well-written person.

I find your statement that the only people who should respond to her must have her same level of education and her perceived intelligence level to be very derogatory to many people not only here but on her very own blog.

There are many who have a higher level of education and a higher intelligence than she does. There are also many who might have less education but are still just as intelligent, if not more so, than she. I am not only referring to the people who post here on Wench, but also to the people who post on FHOTD and the many other forums that she frequents.

I might not think much of Fugly as a person anymore, but I really think that she would disagree with your statement as well.

Jennifer said...

I didn't say, and didn't mean to imply, that only those with a certain level of education or intelligence had the right to voice their opinion. However, in terms of getting others to share that opinion, presentation matters. I rarely see a spelling, grammar, punctuation, or sentence structure error in Fugly's blog, and her voice is engaging and entertaining, if not always objective. Reading this one makes my head hurt sometimes - and that's independent of content. If the point of the blog is to make Wench feel better by getting her anger out, then fine. If the point is to convince others to share her opinion of Fugly, then some proofreading might be in order.

GoLightly said...

Jennifer, you obviously haven't been reading for very long.
Her profanity was legendary in the "old" days. It encouraged more of the same. I mentioned this in one long-ago comments thread, it actually helped a bit.

People can be taken seriously, if the point is well-researched, and the eloquence is there. Profanity has no place in every day speech.
Or communication.

Intelligence does not =
1) Compassion
2) Integrity
3) Honesty
4) Truth
5) Talent
Ever heard of Enron's head honchos? How about Bernie Madoff?
Maybe you've heard of Richard Nixon.
All very intelligent. Well-spoken, well-educated. All dishonest.

Horse "rescue" does not equal horse trading.
yeah, right.
Sorry if your head is hurting.
Trying a darn link, aGain.
GoLightlyFact&Fiction

To Horses, and honesty.
Horses are the most honest creatures I know.

Dena said...

Jennifer
I get what you are saying. I did get that the first time.
And I do not disagree. Entirely.

Point in fact, Fugly does make spelling errors. She to the best of my knowledge has never spelled my name correctly in her angry responses.

She does slip. We all do. When people are in a hurry to burn their response off the page?
Lots of mistakes follow.

I used to enjoy some of what she wrote. Even about me.
Bitter occasionally does = funny.

I just lost my stomach for it based on some of the words and phrasing listed in my previous post.

Proof reading and spell check can absolutely be your friends.
For sure.

But we horse people are sometimes sloppy in our language skills.

You know there used to be this thing over there where everyone spent more time looking at grammer, spelling, and punctuation than the context.
Lord, I had fun with that.lol

CharlesCityCat said...

Jennifer:

Thank you for clarifying the meaning of your post. It was that last sentence of your original post that gave me the impression that I had.

Dena said...

Wenchster
Can we please have a new thread? Please?
The most recent would be good.

I am starting to think of this site as the alternative classroom for those of us who don't want to play well with the others.
Doesn't necessarily mean we do not want to study some of the same material.

C'mon. I know you are a very busy woman. But we need fresh materials.
Oh yeah, and baby pictures. Somebody has to have arrived by now.
Don't you be no baby hogger.lol

Shadowed Storm said...

I'm a lurker on both sites... I mostly stopped posting on FHOTD after the (last set) of attacks on Dena and I have mostly just been reading there and here since.
And wow, they're getting nasty with each other right now... it's gotten to the point I'm scared to even post for fear of getting attacked...

secondwindacres said...

Jennifer,

How long have you been reading FHOTD? I remember a time, like GL stated, that Cathy's thread topics were profanity and insult laden. Calling people fat bitches, lacing one sentence with 5 swear words...that sort of thing. She has toned it down and taken the edge off because she got so much heat for her in-the-gutter style. She started losing readers because of it. Writing style, proper grammar and sentence structure don't dazzle me into believing that the person is knowledgeable about the subject matter. Intelligent writing doesn't equal subject authority. I know it may make your head hurt (as it does mine!:)) to read a punctuation-free, misspelled post but the content is what matters. I grieve for our loss of writing skills and the mutilation of the English language, but I'm not perfect and this isn't a college thesis, it's an Internet blog, so take each post for its content and intent. And maybe throw a very gentle piece of advice in there about presentation. Very gentle, for we each have something to contribute. :)

rosesr4evr said...

Dena said...

You know there used to be this thing over there where everyone spent more time looking at grammer, spelling, and punctuation than the context.
Lord, I had fun with that.lol
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LMAO! I had a feeling you were doing the comma trip on purpose just to irritate the grammar/punctuation queens over there! Rotten ass!

Dena said...

OMG YES!!!
I had me a blast. It was like shooting fish in a barrel.
I could just picture some of them frothing at the mouth.
BH even had a minute slip. And I remember when I said for my next trick I was going to introduce text speak?
Yes, it was fun/self-defense.
Really harmles actually. You would think.
I had this mental picture of them passing out nuns robes and rulers on the WTBSB before they got to my house.
Rotten Ass?
No. Just a maladjusted sense of humor.
Oh screw it. Yes, sometimes I am a very bad girl...

rosesr4evr said...

Hey Dena?

"becuz"

Now that, for some reason, had them really in fits! I just KNEW you were diggin the spurs/commas in to irritate.

BAD DENA! *waves rolled up newspaper*

Dena said...

rosesr4ever you made me blow snot on my keyboard.
I have issues with that even now.
I am afraid to start a riot.
Can you imagine if I had left the vowels out alltogether?
Don't be giving me ideas.

horspoor said...

Dena,
I rather enjoyed Christopher Walken while he lasted. It was really kind of fun reading your posts with Christopher Walken's voice in my head. lol

rosesr4evr said...

Ooooh! I.forgot. about. the. Christopher Walken. Thing. TEE HEE! AAaah Stop I'm choking on cheezy popcorn...

Dena said...

HP
I learned it from my Dressage lessons.

I...Need...For...You...To...Listen...
I...Need...For...You...To...Pay...
Attention...
Your...Horse...And...I...Both...
NEED...FOR...YOU...TO...OPEN...YOUR...EYES...AND LOOK WHERE YOU ARE GOING!!!
I...should...be...charging...double...for...this...lol

Shadowed Storm said...

*giggles* I remember that... made me uber stressed as I'm just a little bit dyslexic(who came up with the spelling of that word???) and would always read everything about twenty times to check everything

horspoor said...

I always just think of it as 'ride every stride' no slacking. I don't mean bumping my horse with my legs every stride either...that makes me freaken nuts when I see that.

The Wenchster said...

Dena said...
Wenchster
Can we please have a new thread? Please?
The most recent would be good.

I am starting to think of this site as the alternative classroom for those of us who don't want to play well with the others.
Doesn't necessarily mean we do not want to study some of the same material.

C'mon. I know you are a very busy woman. But we need fresh materials.
Oh yeah, and baby pictures. Somebody has to have arrived by now.
Don't you be no baby hogger.lol


Sorry. It's been a busy week with work and babies. So far we have 5 colts, 3 fillies. Four of which are buckskin, one palomino, two sorrel, and a grey. I'm working on getting pictures put up right now, just having computer issues and internet issues.
I'm working on a new post as we speak. Sorry for the gap, just been a long week/weekend.
Hope everyone is enjoying spring.

Dena said...

Wenchster Congratulations!..

Did Trashedaous throw Red?

I will be patient.

Are the pictures up yet?LOL

Patience not my strong suit.

The Wenchster said...

Dena said...
Wenchster Congratulations!..

Did Trashedaous throw Red?

I will be patient.

Are the pictures up yet?LOL

Patience not my strong suit.



For some reason my kodak program keeps saying it can not function due to missing hard wear. I'm trying to figure it out so I can post pictures.

Yes, the Trash and Mister babies are both sorrel, both colts. I have two Lena Shine buckskin foals, one colt and one filly. A grey filly by Playgun. The other three are home bred by a couple local ranch stallions.

CharlesCityCat said...

***Perks ears at mention of a grey filly***

Greys are my favorites.


Congrats Wench but sounds like an awful lot of work.

horspoor said...

Wenchster, that's a lot of babies to keep up with. lol Better you than me. Have you had any time for sleep? So, what do the sorrels look like. I'm partial to red horses, no red fillies?

Karen V said...

bhm said... "In Cathy's opinion any owner of a stallion that age that doesn't have an established show career is an asshat. I have a problem with Cathy saying one thing as gospel while acting in the opposite way."

Actually, I think that Cathy's stance is "any owner of a stallion that age that doesn't have an established show career AND BREEDS is an asshat.

It's not about show or not show, it's about don't breed until he's earned the right to do so.

To my knowledge, Cathy hasn't bred him since she's owned him. I don't think that she can be held responsible for stupidity BEFORE she owned him.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

A show career does not make a good producer. Period! It does not matter how many freaking points or how much money your stallion has won, all that matters is what he puts on the ground.
So how many babies has Cathy bred, raised, shown? Ummm....Zero. None, nada, zip, zilch!! She claims to have had a mare bred ONCE, but did not keep the mare or raise the foal. So HER experience with actually proving a stallion, breeding mares, raising babies and proving those babies is also ZERO. She is someone with absolutely NO experience in this field and yet she has the right to tell people what they should and should not be breeding??
Yeaaaaa...Riiiggghhhttt. Have her get back to those of us who have been raising a few nice horses for generations. O.M.G-some of those have been by unshown stallions(gasp)and out of unshown mares(don't faint). And amazingly enough...they are very good at outproducing themselves.

Oh, those accidental foals that VLC produced weren't exactly out of "junk" mares. They were actually nice mares, if not exactly the bloodlines his previous owner had hoped to cross him on. So you all might want to stop trying to discount them. The proof is there-he produced a crooked legged baby. Will Bullwinkle grow out of it? Probably. He was after all a very big colt and he grew fast. But how many show people are going to appreciate having to deal with that? It is a problem. And how many foals is he going to have to produce to "prove" his worth as a stallion? I mean if she is going to be the breeding guru, shouldn't she have all this figured out? You know, cause breeding is such an exact science and all...

Anonymous said...

Wow, are you envious of Fugly's popularity, or what? Why don't you get your own thing going, instead of basing an entire blog around dissing someone else? That's just sad.

I'm guessing it's because:

A)Noone would listen to you

B)You don't have any original ideas, and

C)She probably outed you for some kind of horse or child abuse. Or maybe you've bred a long line of fuglies, and want to defend the crime.

Re: the child on the stallion. There's a reason you have to be 18 to handle a stallion in many places. A damn good reason. It's called "giving a shit about child safety."

Putting a kid on a stallion is like letting a kid drive your car on the freeway. It's just stupid.

Anonymous said...

For the love of God, retitle this blog Dena's Den or Dump or something... between her constant posting and expertise on any subject you could possibly bring up - and the way some of you fawn all over her nd give her lavish tongue-bathings, it makes this blog very hard to read.

And Dena - you have posted in your .... ramblimg... nonsensical... way on... your own............... ...................... .......................blog. And no one was going to dash over there to read it. And yet here you are LOLing and smirking and saying how you were always joking around and being Oh So Clever just to irritate people.... or maybe it was one of your old multiple personalities? LOLZ. Not.

You seem to do a lot of patting yourself on the back - for everything. Even worse than Fugly. Much worse, actually.

CharlesCityCat said...

To the above two Anons:

Here's a shocker for you, no one cares what you think, so run back home to mommy Fugly and reattach your lips to her rectal sphincter.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

Putting a kid on a stallion is like letting a kid drive your car on the freeway. It's just stupid.
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Oh My God....soooo tired of people with such little or no experience with horses trying to tell other people how they should and shouldn't do things.

You people suck and you are ruining the horse world for the rest of us. Christ...LOTS and LOTS of us want to do other things with horses besides love them and pet them and put them on some stupid pedistal. They are a freaking animal-no more, no less. Some people are really good with them and some people wished they were.

Just because you are not capable of figuring out if a horse is safe or not for yourself...please stop projecting your insecurities onto other people and trying to decide from a video clip...of a well turned out pair, in which this "stallion" never once gives a single indication that he is a stallion...what someone else should or shouldn't be doing.

GoLightly said...

(applause for BEC)

secondwindacres said...

CCC,
You always make me laugh. :)

Dena said...

Critics you gotta love them.

CCC-I do not know how I missed that comment of your's.
I seriously almost peed.

ROTF LOLing...And smirking. Mostly LOLing.
Because it was very funny...

See_Spot_Run said...

Meh, I don't know. She looked nervous and to be honest she wasn't showing him to his full advantage. I was just thinking "Whyyy does she look so nervous? Is there something I am missing?" It would impress me more to see an older, more confident looking rider really showing him off then a small twelve year old.

Because lets face it, this video is not effective for me. All it shows is walk trot... possibly a canter lol to lazy to watch it again. She is not showing him off to his advantage and although she looks competent her facial expression gives a different story. Bottom line, if you are advertising a horse that is nice and stallion quality, get a rider who can really show him off and make him look worth it, not some 4-H packer whose rider looks nervous the whole time.