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This is a philosophical blog about.....oh, screw it!!! This blog is dedicated to calling Cathy, the FHotD writer, out on her bull sh*t!

Thursday, March 5, 2009

You put your right arm in, put your right arm out!

Yes, that's the little dance number that Cathy is tap dancing too. Just a couple weeks after publicly slamming her readers and blog commentators on The Manure Pile she is singing a different tune- and quite off key if I might add. Here is what Cathy had to say in one of her latest comments.

P.S. Anybody can post as much as they want. I have not assigned anybody to be the comments police and tell others they are posting too much. If you have an opinion, feel free to post it.
I guess there should be a really small print terms of service agreement along with that statement that goes something like this-
Post whatever you want as long as it has nothing to do with my VLC, riding ability, hypocrisy, inability to stay at a job for more than a year, or my inability to love anyone other than myself.
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On another note about her earliest post. I'm not trying to take the blame off of Trina Kenney because she is to blame for this. But how on earth can so many people be scammed by the most obvious things? And who purchases a horse sight unseen with out a vet check. Obviously, they paid good money for the horses and the shipping, otherwise they wouldn't bother with a law suit. I can understand if a horse is buted and missing a minor ailment. But missing major things like navicular, parrot mouth, hernia, unbroke/untrained horse, cuts/scars, and other lameness issues. I'm having a hard time grasping why and how so many people were scammed over things that could not have been covered up. Also, why did these people turn over money for a FULL payment of the horse before the horse was shipped. I mean that smells more of a scam than those emails everyone gets saying, I'll send you a cashiers check for XXX amount, ship the horse to this location(or I will have a shipper pick up the horse), and just hand back the extra amount the cashiers check was made for.
I'm sure I'll get bashed for saying this, I am in no way trying to take accountability away from Trina, and I'm not saying that I don't feel sorry for the people that were scammed. But when you hand over A LOT of money for a horse you've never seen or had a vet check on- you are kind of asking for a scammer to target you.
This isn't the first time I've heard of things like this. I've heard of a lot of disgusting ranches that take payments on horses. They'll have you sign a contract saying that you agree to the amount but you'll miss the fine print that says if a payment is not received the contract is void, there is no money refund, and they keep the horse. What happens is they have you pay a down payment of so much and then monthly payments for quite some time. Then 2-3 payments before you receive full ownership of the horse they'll claim they haven't received latest payment(when really they tossed the check). What happens is they make faux "Payment not received" documents giving 2-3 warnings, BUT they never send them. Instead they take the letters and contract to the attorney along with current bank documents showing that no money was received. The attorney then gives notary that the sale contract is in default. Soon after that happens you receive those "Payment Not Received" letters along with a letter saying you defaulted. BAM! The horse is still theirs to sell to another person and you don't get your money back. I know, not very savory, but it does happen.

147 comments:

sarcastabitch said...

wenchster, you make some good points.

Just be aware that Trina Kenney was getting to be quite a skilled scam artist. She was extremely predatory and chose her victims carefully.

My personal acquaintance was drawn into sending $5000 and coordinating shipping for what she thought was her dream horse. The shipper got to the provided address...in the middle of nowhere. TWICE.

Kenney had supplied photos, video, and what looked like vet records. She was posing as an agent for a sick (cancer, natch) lady who just wanted her horse to go to a good home.

Many of my friend's experienced horsepeople kept raising flags, and it seemed that Kenney had an answer for everything.

Just to balance the report. The people she cheated were not all ignorant...and she abused their good natures and trust.

Nice people just don't make good criminals. Mean people do.

sarcastabitch said...

Sorry, just to add, this scam was perpetrated from Nevada...across international borders into Canada.

THAT'S why the FBI got involved in this. My friend was far, far, FAR from the only international victim.

The Wenchster said...

Sarcasta I'm very sorry to hear that one of her victims was a friend/acquaintance of yours. I guess the best thing I can stress is to NEVER send a full payment for a horse before the equine is on your property and checks out(or you have arrived to pick up the horse).
I am very happy that people decided to get together to put an end to this before she scammed more people. I'm sure she'll scam some more people, most likely under a new name, but if a picture of this woman is released then I'm sure people will be able to see what she looks like and avoid or put the flags up that, "Hey this woman is posing and scamming again."
This is one case that I hope FHotD posts a picture so the general public can view and know who to look out for.

The Turdburglar said...

It seems there is plenty of the brown stuff flying around on the fhotd blog. I can't believe so many are content to wallow in it.

Dena said...

Sarcasta
Here is a word I get called frequently.
Usually when I am stunned by corruption and the fact that there are some really rotten apples out there.
"Naive".
Why would you give some unknown to you person a large some of money?
It just isn't a good idea.
At least with PayPal there are protection for the buyer policies.
I too am sorry for your friend. And all the others.
A GOOD Con Artist will always have the right answers. It is how they get your money.

CharlesCityCat said...

Dena:

I wish you would stop, please.


FHOTD:

Wow, that was quicker than even I thought.

**smiles**

You're getting your rocks off right about now aren't you?

The Wenchster said...

I wish I was a billionaire!


*Clicks heels 3 times*

Dena said...

CharleCityCat
I have lost my tolerance for all things fhotd.
As I posted there.
She caused another rescue to fail.
They relied on internet sponsership.
She knows that all she has to do is present her lies and whoever she attacks will pay.
She and the ignorant there do so much damage it is unbelievable to me that it has been allowed.
I am sorry if that causes people who defended me to feel badly.
But I have never been the type to rely on public opinion with regard to my character.
The last 6 months have proven how easy it is for so many to get it wrong.
And I have to stand for what I believe in.
And I am NOT the rescue that was pushed under.

Anonymous said...

Dena, are you talking about Dreamchaser Ranch?

If not, what got shut down by FHoTD?

Andalusians of Grandeur said...

Today's Fhotd post title is a self-fulfilling prophecy if you ask me. Only a matter of time. Fhot has waxed and is now waning.

Andalusians of Grandeur said...

Dena, you haz mail.

Dena said...

Anonymous
No. They also suffered some sponser loss.
But no.
As the problem was handled in advance of the horses suffering anything other than the loss of another safe haven I do not want to name this rescue.
The people are devastated and I do not want to give fugly the satisfaction of knowing who is the new notch in her belt.
The whole thing makes me sick.
Everyone there supposedly loves horses and yet they can't see what they are participating in.
People have lost jobs. Been humiliated in their communities.
Animals have suffered because of her.
And I have had more than ENOUGH.
I am not GOD but I do not believe she will change.
And I will not stand idly by while she does what she accuses so many others of without proof.

Dena said...

AofG
So do you.

Anonymous said...

Hate to sound harsh, but if people are stupid enough to buy horses sight unseen or take delivery of horses that are not what they said they were or what they wanted then they deserve to get taken. A fool and his money are soon parted.

Of course, there is not nearly as much ta-do made about the idiots who buy horses and then try to return them-skinny, crippled or mentally damaged because they got them home for 30-60 days, wrecked them and then wanted their money back. Oh no, they try to use the ignorance clause then.

Dena said...

Anonymous
My Dad had a 30 day guarantee. I am with you on what people will try to bring back.
Skinny. Burned like a Shar Pei with cheap fly spray.
Feet tore up.
Saddle sores.
Girth and pad sweat marks still on them.
And theie mouth corners scabbed.
I don't disagree with your point.

Anonymous said...

I've seen that same scam with houses as well. One of my closest friends had it happen with a woman that had a history of doing exactly that. And with a vehicle! Ha! Always be wary of payments with a private seller. They can simply refuse to accept money and keep everything. People suck.

Anonymous said...

What I find odd is that the latest breaking news of Trina Kenney's arrest can not be confirmed. It would seem to me that Fug could at least name her source or supply some verification.
Unless this is again the latest of drama packing topics to enlist more hits to the blog and/or deflect attention.

Anonymous said...

Dena,
If you can talk the talk, you need to walk the walk. Just stop with the tap dancing and blame.
Either name the rescue and FHOTD's relation to it's demise or knock it off.
You have a blog, use it. Stop posting crap on other blogs to divert the attention to yourself. Use some respect to the blog writers.
You want to smear Fugly?
Post proof. Show the new readers who have no clue what you are talking about. Quit sounding like an idiot with a vendetta.
You are quickly losing your support because you take no advice and exhibit behavior that you are indeed either unstable or using again. Or the world's biggest loser.
Grow up and knock it off.
Right now, in your case, put up or shut up. We are sick of the same old song.
You are starting to make JR look good.

Dena said...

Anon
No. I am little stronger than that.
Tell me or I don't belive you?
Have some respect?
I won't even dignify the rest.
Newsflash. I really do not have to be high to disagree with anyone.
I do not have to be high to call a POS a POS!
I live in real life. With real people. With real names.
And yes, it would be very difficult to govern me from the land of anonymity.
You can all stop threatening me with the loss of my newfound support.
It is really a small threat. I have a little more faith in them than that.
The people you may be referring to are what I call fair weather.
You know they only ever announced their support as a prelude to taking it away. Usually in the same post.
Freedom of Speech is a two way street.
I have the required license to travel on it.
So please all of you who like to use threats and words like druggie to try and control me get over yourselves.

Dena said...

Wenchster
Is there any hard copy proof that this Trina person has even been arrested?

Anonymous said...

Dena,
You need to reconsider your approach. If you wish to argue a point then you have to write in coherent manner, provide valid evidence, and control your anger. When you are incoherent and raging at everyone then you come across as a wacko.

The problem isn't your points, on the contrary, it's your behavior. You need to step back get a grip and stop acting in an erratic way. You are getting the response that you get because of the way you behave.

I don't understand what you hope to achieve by posting nasty messages on Fugly. Can you please explain what it is that you are trying to accomplish.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the excess scamming in all areas of our society really just a failure to use some common sense by people anymore?

We have turned into a I want it now society and don't seem to ever want to take responsibility that we screwed up by jumping into a bad situation.

bhm said...
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Anonymous said...

Dena said...

You can all stop threatening me with the loss of my newfound support.
It is really a small threat. I have a little more faith in them than that.
----------------

I don't see anyone supporting your behavior and that is what the issue is.

Dena said...

Anon
What am I trying to accomplish? The prevention of further fraud by Cathy herself.
I do not need to travel in a pack to make my point.
And as for coming across as a whackjob?
Please, when I was valid and coherent and respectful? I got hit with all the same crap and more.
I suffer no confusion about what is being done. Or attempted.
I dare to stand in opposition and within 3 posts here it comes.
So what? It has all been said before. Repeatedly.
I could really care less what those who support fugly have to say about me.
Because those who support fugly have some very real issues of their own.
Behavior? I could not ever surpass what I have seen there.
I couldn't because I wouldn't.
I work at confining myself to the truth.
Not hateful and hurtful gossip.
And somedays I am not going to waste time mincing words. I mean really how dare I address them in language they are most familiar with?
Because I can. Well enough to give them a little taste of what they so readily dish out to so many others.
I will not be made into what I am not to please anyone.
I hope that clarified why I do what I do and what I am trying to accomplish.

rosesr4evr said...

WTF is up with the tinfoil brigade?? I am so sick of hearing about tinfoil, pie tins, tinfoil hats, etc. Just come up with something new already for christ's sake. Do some of these people ever have an original thought?

CharlesCityCat said...

Roses:

It is an inside joke, and since you aren't on the inside, just ignore it.

Don't make it a big deal just because you don't get it.

oldgraymare said...

Hi Dena,

Let me start off by saying that I honestly do not know what Fugly did to you / specifically said about you. My internet use outside of work seems to go in waves, and I missed it. I can only imagine, and I disagree with her approach and attacks in general, so my first inclination was to support you.

I'd suggest that you go forward. In your mind, in your life. You know where you are in all of this; try not to dignify it with attention. The sooner you put it behind you, the sooner it is in the past, period. Stop addressing it, ignore anyone low enough to bring it up. Focus on your family, your horses, your causes, your happiness. Please don't let Fugly and any others get the better of you - and you are allowing them to continue to for as long as you make defending yourself your main issue. People are cruel - don't feed into it. Move on.

As I said, I knew nothing of you - other than Fugly attacked you for something possibly in your past. I would absolutely give you or anyone else the benefit of the doubt - why wouldn't I? But your comments here and over there and even on your own blog are increasingly making you appear unstable and are making me wonder about you. Not that I in particular matter, but I am just offering myself as an example because I had no bias against you to begin with.

Look at your approach and focus, because you aren't helping your cause. Don't let someone's attack on your past define who you are now.

I mean this all in the kindest way possible. You should be admired for turning your life around - don't accept less.

rosesr4evr said...

CharlesCityCat said...
Roses:

It is an inside joke, and since you aren't on the inside, just ignore it.

Don't make it a big deal just because you don't get it.

______________________________

CCC- I get it. You don't have to be IN the clique to GET IT. I understand that it's an inside joke.

It's just stupid!

And as for being on the INSIDE of that group, no thanks, with friends like that you sure as hell don't need enemies.

That said, I do enjoy both blogs most of the time. What I don't like is the mentality of some, but you'll have that where ever you are.

horspoor said...

roses4Ever,
How does it hurt anything, or anyone? You may feel it's stupid, but others don't.

How do you know anything about anyone's friends on here? Don't make assumptions.

If I called everyone on everything I find stupid on these blogs I'd be exhausted.

rosesr4evr said...

It's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it! It just gets annoying.

"Oh my goodness! There's a troll-Well guess we better get out the tinfoil and the pie tins" It just reeks of childish, high school bullshit.

I find some things to be funny, just not that. Okay now I'm done, I won't mention it anymore.

horspoor said...

That's fine Roses4ever. We are all entitled to our opinions. No big.

It just irritated me a little with the friends like those, you don't need enemies. CCC is a friend. lol

Dena said...

OldGrayMare
Well when you put it that way.
Unstable? I will be the first to admit that my self-control over my anger at any injustice can be unstable.
Honestly I don't know why I bother.
When I saw how truly awful some people can be under the veil of anonymity my first thought was this has to be stopped.
The reality I am sure is they will simply find another place to breed ignorance and hate.
I am going to be very busy over the next 3 weeks.
And I will be very curious to see what is effected in my absence.
Thank you.
I don't disagree with you as I would rather have positive experiences.

rosesr4evr said...

horspoor said...
That's fine Roses4ever. We are all entitled to our opinions. No big.

It just irritated me a little with the friends like those, you don't need enemies. CCC is a friend. lol

___________________________________

Sorry HP, I didn't mean anything against CCC. That's not how I meant that at all. What I was trying to say is that some (not all) of the people over there are just downright despicable. I guess it's easy to get caught up in the comraderie and think something is funny and "join in" so to speak.

rosesr4evr said...

Sometimes it's hard to get down exactly what I want to say and how to say it.

The little guy has learned to roll and is rolling ALL over the house, so I'm chasing him in between typing. LOL

Right now, he's getting fussy and needs to take a nap.

Dena said...

roses4ever
I get it. In the beginning I thought the whole tin hat thing was meant as slur against me.
Might have been.
But I also thought those little garbage can emblems were a plot too.lol
I was very computer unaware.

I get the rest of it too.

No offense anyone. I understand.
I think OldGrayMare covered some of that too.
The reality is anytime I step away I stand a chance of taking a hit.
I overcame the whole peer pressure thing a long time ago.
But I do not like having people telling my I can't have an opinion without running the danger of losing the support of my friends.
But then I simply remember one thing.
That is their opinion.

rosesr4evr said...

Chocolate pudding anyone?? LOL

Sorry I know that doesn't make any sense. I just changed the pic for my avatar and wanted to see if I did it right.

CharlesCityCat said...

OldGrayMare:

Very excellent comments to Dena. What fugly did to her was inexcusable and downright cruel, so she has every right to her anger. But, you are exactly right in your advice to her and I second it.

Thanks HP.


Roses:

Yes it is pretty silly and juvenile, no denying that, but we are just having fun with each other. You have your opinion and we have ours and that's okay, right?

Dena said...

Thought for the Day

Have you ever had someone you respect compliment you?

Have you ever had someone you don't even know say something unwarranted and really hurtful about you?

Which has more power? And which stays with you longer?
And why?

rosesr4evr said...

CCC-Abso-freakin-lutely.

Isn't that what we're here for? A little conversation, a little joking around, a little gossip, other's opinions, though we might not agree with them. I think it's stuff such as this that either makes us grow or cuts us off at the knees.

Sometimes though, I see a little too much cutting.

I can understand it's just a joke and I'll apologize. I was being testy, the little munchkin was being a stinker and razzin Mommy's nerves.

rosesr4evr said...

But just look at him... He's sooo cute! Okay I know I'm biased as his momma, but still, too cute!

rosesr4evr said...

Dena,

That's a tough question but very interesting.

In my experience I have always found the compliment stays with me longer.

In the instance of cutting, hurtful remarks, I have found that the words usually fade even though the hurt takes a lot longer to get over.

The exception being things that your loved ones say to you. Those tend to stick with you forever. Good or Bad.

Anonymous said...

roses4ever,
best get those baby gates up now that the little guy is rolling!
Rolling towards a stairway=sad story. I've been there :(

oldgraymare said...

Thanks so much, CCC!!

And Dena - thanks for not taking my comment the wrong way. I truly meant it with respect - I just hate to see someone's attack on your past continue to get to you. She matters only as much as you let her :-)

Anonymous said...

Our daughter was the target of some *severe* internet bullying and anonymous phone calls (the callers blocked their numbers) when she was in middle school. She's still trying to get over it and though it's been four years, it still lingers. We keep reminding her of the inherent goodness in people that are now in her life, and for those who have complimented her- but it's difficult for her to rid herself of the demons. I pray that with time and maturity, she'll move on.

Sorry to get off the subject of horses. That being said, happy trails, everyone. To good weekends, all around!

CharlesCityCat said...

Roses:

No problem, I've been there, although a long time ago. He sure is a cutie.

You are right about the too much cutting, I don't post over there anymore although I will occasionally check out the topics if one of my friends says there is something interesting.

Forgive us our silliness, we think we are hysterical.

CharlesCityCat said...

OldGrayMare:

No, thank you.

Dena said...

One other thought. When I say something deliberately hurtful there are multiple postings as to why that was wrong of me.
What I would like to know is why were so many willing to turn a blind eye to or even worse participate in the bashings that take place there?
While still reading?
And I am not speaking about poor me, poor little victimized me.
I was not the first and I will not be the last.
I hear how everyones respect or lack of respect for me should be a tantamount concern for me.
Has anyone ever thought that I might not have respect what some of you do or say?
I am not picking a fight. I am not trying to be hurtful.
It just seems to escape some that I truly am possessed of all the rights and priviliges of having opinions too.
The only thing at this moment that makes me in any way unique is that I have not gone away.

rosesr4evr said...

CCC,

Most of the time you are-Hysterical that is. HA HA HA I really mean that in a good way, so don't take offense. Sometimes I have never laughed so hard as when I read these blogs!

As to the cutie- thanks for the advice! We have a big open living room-no stairs-so all I really have to do is just shut all the adjoining room's doors. Although right now, he's being a perfect angel! (of course he's asleep) HA HA

rosesr4evr said...

Dena,

I, for one, have gotten in to the fray many times when I see this sort of behavior. It hasn't won me any friends, LOL.

I see that you recognize the "blind eye" approach. It happens a lot. It's hypocrisy at it's finest-it's okay for them to do it, but when it's someone else, well that person is just mean and hateful, they need to stop being a troll and leave the blog. Not everyone is like that over there, though.

Some people are just born haters and it won't matter what you do. So just be yourself, you only have yourself to be accountable for (and God-if that's what you believe).

rosesr4evr said...

I understand where you are coming from, at least part of it, but the other part, not so much. If this is just about getting even with Fugly and some of her readers, whoa pony. Don't forget that what you put out there comes back x3 and if she's needing a little bit of karma to visit her, it will happen with or without help from you.

You aren't the person to lead this crusade.

CharlesCityCat said...

Roses:

I have really enjoyed alot of the comments on the blogs I follow, even some on FHOTD, mind you, I said some. The creativity, wit and humor truly amazes me. That was the main reason I was over there, to converse with some of my regular buddies, you know, the tin foil brigade. Now don't smack me.

How old is cutie and how much chocolate pudding did he get all over himself?

They are just such little angels when they are asleep, that's what you have to remember when they are awake.

Dena said...

roses4ever
I don't believe in getting even.
Seems like an awful ot of work and energy required to just catch up with someone going in the opposite direction.lol
I love having fun, talking about serious issues, and sharing information.
Gossip and play too.
I am just not onboard for the mindless bashing.
Not trying to lead any type of crusade.
Just not willing to quietly accept injustice.

rosesr4evr said...

CCC,

The cutie is almost 7 months old now! He would've had the whole container all over him but he has a mean mommy who fed it to him and wouldn't let him play with the spoon or the container.

Even when he's awake, he's such a delight. He really only gets fussy when he's hungry, dirty, or tired. Everyone who knows us, keeps saying how lucky we are to have such a good baby. It scares me into not wanting to give him a sibling. I can just see it now, we get the angel the first time out and the devil spawn the next ha ha ha.

Dena,

Keep up the good fight.

Dena said...

God. Now I really do sound like a broken record.
Fun is Good!..

Anybody notice we do not have a foal report from Wenchster yet?
Hmmmph.
Baby hogger.

rosesr4evr said...

Put your right arm in and you shake it all about, you do the hokey pokey and you turn yourself around that's what it's all about!

HA HA HA!! Sorry, I have that stupid song stuck in my head and have had the entire morning-just thought I'd share. LOL

seaview said...

Roses-your baby is too cute!

Dena-I think we all agree with the advice oldgraymare gave you. I know my first encounter with you was when you came out with guns blazing based on the assumption that I had come to this board to flame. I clarified that that was incorrect and you were very gracious and reasonable about it-you and I made our peace. I admire you for rising above all the challenges you have faced.When you make a comment on FHOTD or get angry at one of the hardcore FHOTD followers, you are giving them more fodder to use against you and you're better than that! You are allowing them to upset you and they truly enjoy that. I understand about speaking out about injustices but there are many people in this world that you cannot change, no matter how you try. Instead, know that you have overcome many obstacles that the haters cannot begin to imagine; don't waste your time or energy on them.

rosesr4evr said...

Thank you Seaview! He's my absolute pride and joy.

I worry about what I'm going to do when he gets older and wants to be around the horses. I read all the horror stories and I KNOW how I was as a child. I've got it coming for giving my mother heart palpitations and gray hair.

CharlesCityCat said...

Roses:

My daughter was the same way, a very good baby and I had those exact same thoughts about having another one. It didn't happen but that was because her father is an a**h***.


Hey, thanks, now I have the Hokey Pokey stuck in my head. Sheesh!!

rosesr4evr said...

CCC, I would say that I'm sorry for getting the song in your head, BUT I'm not!! HA HA HA I didn't want to be A-LOONE or a loon it doesn't matter which. ROFL

kestrel said...

Scammers abound, the Madoff chronicles prove it.
Buying a horse sight unseen? Never, ever, ever.... Kinda reminds me of a story my dad tells of a woman who just had to have a guy's horse. The guy did warn her, "that horse don't looks so good" Woman buys horse, discovers horse is blind....
Great that a scam artist is going down. We hates them!!!

CharlesCityCat said...

Roses:

Actually, it's okay, I am having fun with it. Of course, my co-workers think I am daft.

Hey, it's Friday, and we turn ourselves about, that's what it's all about.

rosesr4evr said...

Oh Gawd!! It's getting silly in here. LOL
Hold on...the baby wants to type something.


xxxxxxxxxxv d jkbvsssssssssssssssssssssss2rzswvccccccVAW#E3M CFFRFR5F

Don't ask me what that means! He's been wanting to get his fingers on this keyboard for weeks! LOL

CharlesCityCat said...

Roses:

I understood everything he typed. He said my mommy is mean to me, she won't let me feed myself chocolate pudding.

Nd_Appy said...

Just curious...

Is there any proof of the arrest anywhere? I tried search and had no luck finding anything. *shrugs* I have family out in Pinon Hills. I plan on calling them and seeing of they have heard anything about this.

SFTS said...

Nd_Appy wrote:
Just curious...

Is there any proof of the arrest anywhere? I tried search and had no luck finding anything. *shrugs* I have family out in Pinon Hills. I plan on calling them and seeing of they have heard anything about this.


This is my first time posting here...I have avoided doing so in the past because I disagree in principle with having a blog just to rag on someone you don't like. In fact, this is only about the third time I've ever looked at this blog.

However I wanted to address the question above ~ Nd_Appy, we live right here in Pinon Hills as well, and there is no news locally that we can find. As I mentioned on FHOTD, I am going to try to contact the local Victorville FBI office.

Anyone who is interested in what they have to say after I call can read about it on FHOTD or can email me, SunlitLady@aol.com.

The Wenchster said...

Dena said...

Anybody notice we do not have a foal report from Wenchster yet?
Hmmmph.
Baby hogger.



lol. Sorry, no baby yet. The mare bred to Mister is in the beginning stages and so we'll probably have a baby here by Sunday. Which is my lucky day because Amigo is turning 33 on the 8th.(pictures of Amigo in some of the first Wench posts). I always have the best of luck with all my babies born on March 8th.
I don't think my other mare bred to Trash will be until the middle of this month. From her size and appetite everyone around the barn is predicting St. Patricks Day. Or we're at least hoping that it's St. Patties day. We have a few cute names picked out if so. So far our favorite name picked out is A Wee Bit O' Trash.

rosesr4evr said...

I know, I AM a mean mommy! He would've ended up feeding the floor, his eyes, nose and ears the pudding before any got to his mouth! HA HA When he gets a little better control, we'll turn him loose in the kitchen (hardwood floor) lol that should be entertaining!

On the getting taken when purchasing a horse. There is someone I know that was talked into buying a horse by a mutual aquaintance. It was a horse she had seen at a low end sale. She wanted me to buy the gelding instead of the one I have now. Uh NO DICE! This gelding was not quality in any sense of the word.

Anyway long story short, lady buys gelding thinking she's going to show him in WP. The horse was only 4, had bad hocks, a dead tail, and scar tissue in his mouth, mental issues, and was a conformational wreck. She took the horse to a trainer and trainer tells her it's a no go and why. She gets mad at the trainer and not the con artist that convinced her to buy the POS to begin with.

Anonymous said...

I just check FHOTD new blog and got to giggling b/c she is saying she is about to finally post on the number 1 trainer you don't want to send your horse to... the whole time I was reading I was like well personally I think the trainer I wouldn't send my horse ot is the one training VLC....

Dena said...

Wenchster
I am so glad to know you were just sick and not being selfish.lol
I have a young colt,
Sire is LS Sea Bar Sail
Dam is Doc Horns Dell
Eamon's Cat on application.
I will trade baby pictures with you in a couple of weeks.

rosesr4evr said...

Now Dena...Have you been byb-ing behind fhotd's back?? Admit it, you have been. LOL I'm just teasing so don't go ape on me.

Anonymous said...

How can you say Dena's points are fine but her "behavior" isn't ?? Behavior is NOT words posted on a blog. I think perhaps many are reading a tone into her posts that isn't there.

rosesr4evr said...

In all seriousness though, I think it would be interesting to see how many people posting out there to any of the blogs, keep their own stud.

On several posts, there have been people stating that they have a stud, his temperment is the MOST IMPORTANT, but they aren't breeding said stud. Well then why have one?? What's the point??

I think it would be fun to have a bloggers "Stallion Showcase", you know, have everyone post their stallions and why they think he's stallion material.

I think it would be especially relevant to the post topic over there today. A little Fugly colt has been posted and another BYB outed, for daring to think they could produce something in this terrible horse market. The colt is actually kinda cute! Might make a nice pony.

Dena said...

OMG I am not going to go there. Toddler bashing I would describe as a behavior.
And if I were incoherent when abusing anyone no one would be complaining because they would not understand the supposed abuse.
I am real clear when I am being an ass.
Alright I went there. And now I am moving on.


Rosesr4ever
HA! You caught me! Yep, we have been breeding Eamon to all the local mares for a dollar a pop.
As he is 9 mos. old we see great things ahead for this colt.
We just wanted to do our part to make sure that BYBs did not die out completely. ROLMAO
And it is for a good cause. We want to send our boy to one of those 72 hour colleges someday.
Thank you so much. I cracked myself up reading your post.
Funny Girl...

Dena said...

I am ignoring negativity. A psychotic break?
Wow that sounds really impressive.
And here I thought I was just expressing the fact that I was really pissed off.
I think it is so great that so many take time out of their busy and productive lives to post helpful suggestions how I may become a better person.
You know I really can separate the wheat from the chaff.
I don't care for the hypocrisy of fhotd and its creator.
I do not care for what some of the posters think they and they alone can do.
And I absolutely know they don't care for my style of throwing it right back at them.
So what can a person do?
Ignore me. Move on. Not indulge me in my bad attention seeking behaviors(lol).
Seriously the possibilities are endless.
Following me from there to here and posting anonymously are maybe 2 of the poorer choices. But hey, it is your call.
I am really in a very good mood so please do not read anything else into this.
And have a really great day.

Anonymous said...

OH MY GOD. DO YOU GUYS KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET CONVICTED OF ANIMAL CRUELTY AND/OR NEGLECT?

DID FHOTD MAKE THAT UP DENA???? DID THE STATE OF WASHINGTON NOT CONVICT YOU?

SERIOUSLY! FHOTD WRITES A BLOG! WITH HER OWN OPINIONS, OFTEN TIMES HARSH.. DID YOU NOT PHOTOSHOP YOUR ASS???

IM SORRY, BUT ALL CATHY DID WAS MAKE THE HORSE INDUSTRY AWARE OF WHAT YOU DID, WHICH WAS STARVE AND NEGLECT HORSES.

IT IS 100% FINE IN MY BOOK FOR A RESCUE TO ASK FOR SPONSORSHIPS ON THE INTERNET OR WHERE EVER, BUT IF THEY ARE EVEN CLOSE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO FEED THE HORSES THEY HAVE THEY NEED TO NOT TAKE ANYMORE, PLACE THE HORSES THEY HAVE WITH A DIFFERENT RESCUE OR PUT THE HORSES DOWN BEFORE THEY RUN OUT OF HAY, BEFORE THE UTILITIES GET TURNED OFF, BEFORE THEY CANNOT AFFORD VET CARE.

DENA, GET A LIFE.

I CAN SEE WHERE THIS BLOG IS COMING FROM IN SOME CASES, BUT LETS BE REASONABLE. DENA, YOU WERE CONVICTED. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.. SORRY DENA, YOU WERE PROVEN JUST THAT, GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW! APPEAL IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT.

Andalusians of Grandeur said...

To the anon who posted at 6:22:
Read my lips: DENA IS NOT DEAN! Period. End of story. Dena is in Mn; Dean is in Wa.

Anonymous said...

WELL THEN WHAT THE HECK DID FHOTD DO TO HER?

Dena said...

After reading the latest thread and postings even I know when I am being baited.
I will say this I must be gifted because I understood the ad on the first try.
You know I heard a story. And not from any of the rescues involved.
The ladies from Shiloh supposedly made the news quite some years back.
The story goes that someone cut off all the tails of the rescue horses and then cut the fences on their way out. Back when horsehair was high and the rescue was supposedly struggling.
But that was just a story I heard.
Among the other supposed attempts to help other rescues that always turned into the most amazing publicity opportunities for Shiloh.
And I do not believe threatening the people you are supposedly helping makes you look real good.
And I do not believe outbidding private buyers at a sale qualifies as a rescue.
JMO.
But I am sure fhotd has better information than I do.
It isn't as though I had personal interaction with all parties.
Oh wait a minute. Yes, I did.

Dena said...

AofG it's okay. Now that I know how thoroughly confused some Anons really are I won't even take it personal.
Especially as I am the one with a big enough set to post with my real identity.

Dena said...

I am going to allbreed for awhile.
I want to check all my horses lineage.
For the whole transition to BYB you know?
I will report back and rosesr4ever can help advise me on the best crosses.
Roses? You know I am kidding right? And not in any way digging on you?
This is me playing. But I really am going to allbreed.

CharlesCityCat said...

To the confused Anon:

Fhotd made her and her rescue a topic back in November of 2008. She posted personal info on her from her past that went way over what is right. Dena and her family suffered alot of abuse because of that. Fugly and her scabs have been very abusive to Dena so she is rightly pissed.

Dena is not Dean.

Dena said...

CCC
Now let's not confuse them again.
I used to be a rescue.
Until roses4ever gave me the idea to be a BYB.
You know because I am going to make fabulous sums of money reinventing this wheel.

Oh crap. Now I am being deliberatley inflammatory.
*hands head*giggles*tries to look appropriately ashamed* Not working is it?
Sorry...

Hey Wenchster check this one out for me and tell me what you think.
Sire High Incident
Dam Supreme Escapade
I am interested in you opinion.

Dena said...

hangs and deliberately.

Dena said...

I would like to share an observation.
I think that there is so much poster confusion and misinformation at fhotd because the posters have been conditioned to look for things to tear apart.
So much so, that a simple ad was repeatedly misconstrued.
And instead of saying "Oh I got that wrong". It then became another black mark against the ad writer for writing the ad so poorly.
I get the impression that several of the posters there are not very saavy themselves when it comes to this topic.
And that's okay. I am not bashing anyone for not knowing.
But is it too much to ask that people look before they leap?
Or is leaping the whole point of the exercise for some?
And please there is one other point I would like to make.
It does not matter if I name someone in particular or use the term some.
Ever notice how many people jump as though I said ALL?

The Wenchster said...

For those who may be wondering what happened to some of the anonymous posts that were here earlier. I DID delete them. I don't mind when someone wants to offer something constructive to the topic and go under anonymous. I do mind however when people come on here and post anonymously with a big ole pair of brass ones just to troll at another member.

For the DENA bashers and Dena herself. It's time to move on!

Dena you've been given a wonderful opportunity at a second chance. If you keep living in your past, your past is going to consume your future. Ignore the nasty comments from the Anons here and over on FHotD. Don't keep playing the martyr. Those over on FHotD that are not on your side, are probably NEVER going to change their mind about you. That's THEIR problem, not yours. You are probably never going to meet them or cross paths with them in real life. Their opinion means nothing, squat, nadda! I understand why you are mad. I would be too if I was in your situation and was publicly smeared and bashed on the WWW. But understand that a lot of those veiwers on FHotD pretend they are infallible just because they are behind the safety of a screen name(and from the many that I see on there talking about their KYOOOT stallions- the only reason they aren't being featured on FHotD is because Cathy needs all the trolls she can get). Your past is YOUR past and it should have NEVER been served on a dinner plate for the WWW. I'm sorry that you were hurt and humiliated, I really am. But it's time to move on and forward with your life. Cathy is a middle aged, divorcee that is a hypocrite beyond her own means. The saying, "People hate the faults they most see in others that they see in themselves" is SO true. Let her stew in her own sh*t until it hits the fan.

For those who continue to bash DENA. MOVE ON! I will continue to delete the ANON comments that are bashing her. I could care less about her sins of the past. The beautiful thing about being human is that we ALL make mistakes.

Dena said...

Wenchster
I am speechless. Now THAT I can take and totally agree with.
I think I would very much like to be an ordinary poster.
I am actually going on a 2 week working vacation as of tomorrow.
Is there such a thing?lol

Andalusians of Grandeur said...

A standing ovation for the Wenchster! *claps* *whistles*

CharlesCityCat said...

Wenchster:

Thank you for stepping up to the plate.

seaview said...

Dena-working and vacation don't go together at all, LOL! I have to say though, that a working vacation sounds like more fun than just working:-)
What will you be doing?

seaview said...

Oh, forgot to add: Wenchster-excellent post! That's what I was trying to tell Dena but I didn't put it as well as you did...it's hard but you HAVE to rise above that crap; it will drive you crazy if you don't (spoken from experience).

kestrel said...

Wenchster...*chanting and joining AofG standing on bar table!*

Andalusians of Grandeur said...

Put a couple bucks in the jukebox, Kestrel. Let's get this party started!

Dena said...

Seaview
You expressed yourself just fine.
I just wasn't done yet.lol
What will I be doing?
Working on some other away from my area community issues.
And working on my legislative affadavit.
And by vacation I simply mean I do not have to shovel my own poo as I will not be here.
We have 4 volunteers who will be helping my hubby with everything that makes the world go round at the farm and with the family.
And maybe even sleeping. That might be the vacation part too.
Our son is spending a week with his sister over Springbreak.
So I will still miss him but know that he is having fun.

Dena said...

CinnamonSwirl I was wandering around on the internet and I came across a CinnamonSwirl TB rescue horse.
Any relation?

Anonymous said...

I will be the first to admit that my self-control over my anger at any injustice can be unstable.
Honestly I don't know why I bother

Now you're talking sense Dena.

Before you post remind yourself that your self-control over your anger can be unstable and then stop, don't post. Give a horse a hug instead.

Also, I don't know why you bother either.

Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

Please see the wisdom in understanding that you are not going to change the things you want to change the way that you are going about it. A life well lived and making changes to the industry away from Cathy is the only thing that's going to work for you. The one and only thing.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Wench...I didn't read your post before I posted to Dena. I just got to hers and had some thoughts so I posted before I read down further.

Excellent, excellent post.

Thank you for putting such a caring post out there for Dena.

Anonymous said...

Also, confused Anon...Dena was never convicted of animal abuse. Her rocky past, from over 7 years ago, was aired like so much dirty laundry for everyone to pick apart like monkeys on cupcakes. It was the worst display of man's inhumanity to man that I've seen a long time.

Dena is not innocent and she'll probably be the first to tell you that, but fugs went way over the line. It wasn't right, no matter what Dena had done in her past.

Anonymous said...

How can you say Dena's points are fine but her "behavior" isn't ?? Behavior is NOT words posted on a blog. I think perhaps many are reading a tone into her posts that isn't there.

Indulge me here, I may be way off base but I'll try to say what I think so that it makes sense. Maybe the poster meant that the points themselves are okay but the words she uses to get those points across exude anger and revenge-seeking so the points are lost within the angry words. Anger and revenge are more behavorial in nature than is just a calm observation.

Like,
I was wondering what your long term plan is for the VLC?

as opposed to,
You piece of &*())&* you don't even have a plan for that (&*&^! colt, he should have been shot with a $#@*%$ gun when he was born.

Bad example maybe, but I hope you get where I'm coming from.
And yes, reading any kind of tone into a post can be a dangerous assumption, I agree.

rosesr4evr said...

Sorry I was out at the barn riding my most fantabulous gelding! He's sooo smart. He's really coming along nicely. We are going to do well, I think at the American Ranch Horse Shows this summer.

Dena, I KNEW IT!! You despicable BYB you! Now remember to get all the crossbreeds in the mix too, cuz you KNOW they sell like hotcakes right now. I know you were just teasing me, I was teasing you. Just a little funny sarcasm between .com friends never hurt anybody.
Hey since you're over at all breed check out this horse: This Invitationsforu

rosesr4evr said...

rosesr4evr said...
On Dena-

I can't say that if what happened to her (the public lashing and harassment) happened to me and I had to deal with people calling my home, e-mailing me, driving by my home, tresspassing on my property, postings on a well read internet blog, that I wouldn't still be on here wanting someone to bleed for what they put me through.

I don't have a drug problem, never have, don't have a drinking problem, no animal abuse or child abuse. I only have 2 horses at the moment (plan to keep it that way)and I do not rescue, I have upgraded from time to time though.

If it were me, I would be seriously pissed off. Especially if I heard rumblings of, the person that outed me and caused such a ruckus, isn't a saint and has been guilty (or so it seems) of some of the things she exposes others for.

How would you feel if all of a sudden one day, people are calling and e-mailing you non-stop, telling you what a piece of sh*t you are, calling you a drugged out whore, junkie, addict and you had been clean for almost a decade?? I can't imagine what went on after that and I don't ever want to experience it. DO YOU?

I would be angry about all the attacks on my person, but yet others who have been guilty of some of the same things don't get flamed because they're part of the IN crowd.

I would be upset that people would attack me for no other reason than what they read on the internet and because others on the blog are doing the same so they can feel like part of the group.

I would be upset that I got flamed for asking for donations for rescue, but someone else asked for donations, got them, didn't come clean with how the $$$ were spent, even though she was asked repeatedly to account for the spending of said donations.

It's about everybody being held to the same standard. If you're going to pick on someone for something, don't do it yourself. If you say, well this is the way it ought to be done, then DO IT THAT WAY.

Don't do it and then claim you can because you know what you're doing and the other person doesn't, so they're not allowed to do it.

Don't pick on people just for the sake of picking on them, even if they do make themselves a big target.

Above all, don't be afraid to speak out(that's not a problem on this blog) even if it means you might lose "friends". I turned someone in once not too long ago for starving and neglecting over 30 horses in a neighboring county. I lost a lot of what I thought were my friends. Oh well!

March 6, 2009 2:15 PM
_________________________________

I posted this comment over on FHOTD today, but Wenchster said it much better! Whoo Hoo Go girl!

rosesr4evr said...

Wenchster said...
(snip)
But understand that a lot of those veiwers on FHotD pretend they are infallible just because they are behind the safety of a screen name(and from the many that I see on there talking about their KYOOOT stallions- the only reason they aren't being featured on FHotD is because Cathy needs all the trolls she can get).
________________________________

I, myself, was wondering that same thing! Which is why I suggested the "Stallion Showcase".

I think that would be priceless!

CinammonSwirl said...

CinnamonSwirl I was wandering around on the internet and I came across a CinnamonSwirl TB rescue horse.
Any relation?"

Nope! But that's nifty, though! I just was in a warmy, gooey, cinnamony mood when I chose my name. Sorry it wasn't as cool a find as it could have been!

Anonymous said...

"like monkeys on cupcakes."

I love you, Anon.

And you rock on, Dena. You turned your life around, that is commendable.

~DK

rosesr4evr said...

Good lord-I go out to the barn for a few hours and you trollops are starting up the jukebox and dancing on the bar. I guess I'm late to the party.

Dena said...

I was wondering. Does BYB mean bring your own bottle?
Before you decide to breed in your backyard?

rosesr4ever
You so busted me. HA!!! I have one little horse with balls.
Or is it one kind of big horse with little balls?
And 11 fillys and mares.
Yes, I was thinking of renaming the place.
"What Was I Thinking Acres". And the motto could be, Thinking or drinking?

rosesr4evr said...

You could be the first poster for our Stallion Showcase!!

It would be funny if you called it What were you DRINKIN Acres. LOL

What's in the bottle Dena? Some Kook Aid.

Sorry, I couldn't help it. I thought that was funny.

Hey did you look up that horse I asked you about??

Dena said...

rosesr4ever
I am trying to turn over a new leaf.
Do you really think inspiring me to envy is a good place to start?
The Invitation Only. I already guessed but I had to look.
The Dam side has many similarities to some of our stock,
With the exception of the Doc's Lynx.
I have always wanted something from that line.
Lucky Girl:)

CinnamonSwirl
It was Angel Haven in PA if you want to go look.

This girl is going to bed. Been a very long day.
Thanks Everyone for everything...

rosesr4evr said...

Oh, so you like him?? His barn name is Envy BTW! LOL He's such a little stinker.

I guess I could've kept him a stud and we could BYB the midwest!

rosesr4evr said...

But, but, really he's got such a puppy dog attitude. You'd never know he was a stud. LOL Neither did he, which was a good thing, because now he doesn't miss it one little bit. Well maybe two little bits!! HA HA I crack myself up. I need to stop.

Anonymous said...

WENCH

I just gotta say, That there are few Fugly followers that I believe deserve to be paraded in front the troll firing line.

There is one near me who goes ON AND ON about her breeding program. Brags about her stallion, who IMO is a short fat shitter that needs to be gelded. ( I'm not the only one who has these views on this stallion) She claims her horses are brought in every night and stalled with their blankets on. WHAT A JOKE. Her horses stand in shit up to their hocks, live out side 24/7 with NO SHELTER and crappy fencing. (the farm is located in the PNW)

So Yah, you have hit upon a interesting point/fact

bhm said...

Anonymous said...

How can you say Dena's points are fine but her "behavior" isn't ?? Behavior is NOT words posted on a blog. I think perhaps many are reading a tone into her posts that isn't there.

Indulge me here, I may be way off base but I'll try to say what I think so that it makes sense. Maybe the poster meant that the points themselves are okay but the words she uses to get those points across exude anger and revenge-seeking so the points are lost within the angry words. Anger and revenge are more behavorial in nature than is just a calm observation.

---------------

I agree with you. That's good advice.

I'll reserve my applause for Winchester once I see that Dena will keep herself off FHOTD.

bhm said...

I, myself, was wondering that same thing! Which is why I suggested the "Stallion Showcase".

I think that would be priceless!
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Priceless and necessary.

bhm said...

Fugs is on one of her breed bashing frenzies again. While I may not disagree with her point about crossing breeds, I disagree with her on generalizations of Gypsies.

I the UK it's a cross. In North America it's a breed. It's like classing all Warmbloods as draft crosses because draft crosses formed the initial breeding stock.

I don't agree with Fugs' opinion that it's OK to pay big bucks for a QH, TB, or WB but not for other breeds.

It might be a good opportunity to invite Gyspy owners and breeders here to have their say.

seaview said...

Speaking of FHOTD trolls,I saw where of the them posted over there that she breeds dogs and "I don't know a thing about horses";she then proceeded to give her mean spirited comment about someone's horse.
WTH???

bhm said...

seaview said...

Speaking of FHOTD trolls,I saw where of the them posted over there that she breeds dogs and "I don't know a thing about horses";she then proceeded to give her mean spirited comment about someone's horse.
WTH???
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You are right. That makes no sense.

Perhaps a feature on specific posters that contradict themselves.

Pixieblue said...

hi i am new to all this am from england and use the net to gain knowledge as am just starting out with horses (at 25!!). I have been reading fhotd and didnt want to post there because as i said my knowledge is still growing and sometimes they seem to attack the inexperienced (but still valid) opinion. I am not new to animals have been involved with them all my life just new to riding. I found this blog a week or so ago and just thought i'd stop lurking and post to introduce myself.

Emma
xx

GoLightly said...

I can only speak for the Canadian Government here, but a very sad thing happened yesterday. An honest man in politics, a true rarity, stepped down. (John Tory, for those interested).

His words to explain himself were to this effect. (paraphrased)
"People don't want to vote for an honest man. They want to hear the dishonest promises (aka cons), that make them feel better, not the MucH harder truth of the matters that will help further our country."
Very sad day for Canada, indeed.

All of your USA politicians are honest?? Trina could fit right in with the dishonest. They make the really good money.

I know our politicians are NoT all honest. Where I live, in Liberal Vaughan, the "Green Belt" Liberal Legislation only lasts until Mr. Liberal Big DeveloperGuy pays enough $$$ for the green land they're developing/paving. These guys love a chain saw.
I blog about it. I've watched it happen. The land we rent is now surrounded on all sides by BigDeveloper Guy. He's bought it, and to "help the farmer" he's cut down every tree, on every fence line. Ancient trees, ancient wildlife using the trees, gone.

For what? Now the land will be MucH easier to scrape clean, when the time comes. The Farmer had nothing to do with it. Farmers (most) know that a tree line between fields is a wind-break, a shelter belt, erosion control.
A haven for birds and wildlife..

ooooh, sorry for the OT.
Or maybe it WAS on topic.
Can't tell, anymore.

Dena said...

Wenchster
When I get back I will offer Eamon's Cat for your "Stallion Showcase".
We haz big plans for him. Very big plans.lol

And thank you again...

rosesr4evr said...

Success In The Showpen posted an excellent topic 2 days ago. It talks about the VLC/BYC! Excellent post!

Anonymous said...

The thing about Gypsies is, it's not really a big thing in England. They're bred for meat. Americans are the ones who made up the stories about them and then charge laughable amounts of money for them.

Roxmysox said...

The Gypsies graze their horses on the sides of the road and any piece of spare ground they can get to.
There was a time when anyone owning or riding one would have been looked down on because " that was all you could afford".
I'm still amazed to see the prices they fetch in the States.

Anonymous said...

Rox:

Whoever came up with the Gypsy Vanner scam for the us was brilliant, because you know they're rolling in the money. I still remember the day when I was set straight by someone in the know about them and didn't want to believe it. Meat horses? Seriously? No magic, no majesty. Do I think they're absolutely gorgeous? Yes, I do. Do I still want one? Oh yes! Would I pay the ridiculous amount of money being asked for them? No. That's where I start laughing and the person who buys them for 20K+ is quietly laughed at, especially when they have to down size their own herd because money is tight, yet they're still paying for their horse on payments.

bhm said...

I don't agree with anything that you've said about the GV's. It sounds like you've been soaking up Fugly misinformation for too long.

Anonymous said...

bhm: Actually, I heard it before fugly said anything about it.

Anonymous said...

bhm: Also, to clarify, I'm not knocking the horse itself. They are absolutely gorgeous. What I'm laughing at is the fact that these are horses bred for meat in the UK, but someone along the line created this fabulous tail about how Gypsy's horses were the gold that didn't glitter or some such nonsense. Another thing, I have seen these horses advertised as the quietest and most low key horses you could buy. On many different sites. That's misleading, especially to people who may want a nice gentle by nature horse and end up with something that wasn't as promised. That's when it get dangerous.

bhm said...

Anonymous said...

bhm: Also, to clarify, I'm not knocking the horse itself. They are absolutely gorgeous. What I'm laughing at is the fact that these are horses bred for meat in the UK, but someone along the line created this fabulous tail about how Gypsy's horses were the gold that didn't glitter or some such nonsense. Another thing, I have seen these horses advertised as the quietest and most low key horses you could buy. On many different sites. That's misleading, especially to people who may want a nice gentle by nature horse and end up with something that wasn't as promised. That's when it get dangerous.
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I see your point. The advertising is out of control...argg. Head ache.

The truth about draft horses in general is that they are calm and friendly by nature, but you do have to have top notch skill around them. Quiet doesn't equal mentally slow and they learn very quickly. They can make a mess out anybody if you're not prepared.

bhm said...

Anonymous said...

bhm: Actually, I heard it before fugly said anything about it.
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Yes, but it doesn't make it true.

Anonymous said...

bhm: It doesn't make it false, either.

GoLightly said...
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GoLightly said...

crap
Riad = Raid

bug killer

never MinD..

Horse 101 said...

Just curious,
How do sellers protect themselves?
We sold a horse to Pennsylvania last Fall and there's no way on Earth that horse was getting on the shippers trailer before being fully paid for.
Sellers can be scammed too. Once the horse is across country, if the buyer doesn't want to pay, it's extremely time consuming and expensive to get the horse back.

The Wenchster said...

Horse 101 said...
Just curious,
How do sellers protect themselves?
We sold a horse to Pennsylvania last Fall and there's no way on Earth that horse was getting on the shippers trailer before being fully paid for.
Sellers can be scammed too. Once the horse is across country, if the buyer doesn't want to pay, it's extremely time consuming and expensive to get the horse back.



Sellers protect themselves by requiring a non-refundable deposit and shipping fee up front for the horse and a proper drawn up contract. A deposit is a good faith reassurance that a buyer is honestly serious about purchase and is less likely to back out.
NEVER give all the money upfront. This opens you up to being scammed and should the horse not be the one that you purchased or the horse has an injury that the seller did not disclose about, you'll have a hard time getting your money back.
Should the seller require the full amount upfront before the horse is shipped or switches hands, offer to pay a 10-20% deposit- if they don't accept that, run and don't look back. If you really want the horse, have an attorney draw up a buyers contract with your stipulations for the seller.

Darcy Jayne said...

On a sale when the horse is going to be shipped or there is some other element of trust required between buyer and seller, why not use an escrow account?

It would add to the cost, but would protect both the buyer and seller.

Pipkin said...

I've purchased a horse I found online, sight-only-in-photos from the other side of the country.

How did I protect myself? I got names and addresses of the breeder. Contacted the breed asociation to verify their info and ownership of the horse. Paid for the shipping myself, had a contract, required copies of the vet and medical paperwork ahead of time, and sent most of the money.

It worked out fine, he was a weanling, and has turned into a very nice horse.

At any step I could have been scammed, sure, lots of people don't prefer to buy a horse like this, and I might not do it again, but it's not inherently stupid or silly, it's more a matter of being sensible and protecting yourself as best you can.

Hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Anonymous said...

Dena - I just read through these comments and had to shake my head in disbelief. You excell at playing the Victim. I think you want to be A Victim. Or at the very least, to be The Center of Attention. No matter what it takes. And when you commented about bravely using your real ID I about fell off my chair. You are the master of aliases. We all know that.

What is to prevent one of your aliases from continuing what "Dena" has said she will not do?

You write in long Stream of Consciousness ramblings and expect us to all nod wisely and feel sorry for you.

Well, that is not going to happen for many of us. Thanks to your recent past (and note I am not referring to your drug troubles etc. here) you have shown yourself to be somewhat unstable and dishonest. Aliases that agree with eahc other. Trashing all while feigning innocence. Embellishing just to make others feel sorry for you.

I HOPE that what you wrote about moving onward is true - because the only one who is holding you back is you. You seem to insist on doing so - and then blame FHOTD for it. No one forces you to post there - especially under multiple IDs.

And whoever suggested that you get off the pot and quit speaking in riddles and hints and whispers and name said collapsed Rescue is right. Otherwise it is just more spin and potentially more lies. Forgive me - but you have been less than honest in the past so expecting us to believe everything you say now is a huuuuuge jump. Huge. But I sense you will just make excuses and evade that entire question for a host of lame reasons.

BTW - why did you trash that Shiloh rescue who had the funds and facilities to help Dreamchaser? That was a complete WTF to many of us. Or is it here in a past blog that I did not catch up on at the time...

Anonymous said...

Isn't it amazing that the story on the arrest of STILL is not verified?

Now since she announced it in such a manner, is that not grounds for a lawsuit? That is very damaging if it is untrue.

And Miss Legal Cathy did not confirm such a story prior to posting it? Sounds like someone trying to bump up hits, I would say.

Anonymous said...

Bump up hits?? Oh give me a break. This "arrest" info is all over the internet - AWH, ABH, COTH. Regional boards. Everywhere. So Cathy bringing it up is hardly an evil sneaky ploy to bump up hits.

FHOTD annoys the hell out of me at times - but at least I do not pull shit out of thin air just to bitch about her.

Moronic statements like yours just make the rest of us look wack and stupid.

bhm said...

Anon.,
I guess what the poster is trying to accomplish is to find out if it's an internet rumor or not. Personally, I think it's valid point.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Moronic statements like yours just make the rest of us look wack and stupid.

And you believing everything on the internet without proof just proves you are.

BrownEyed Cowgirls said...

Wenchster...You surviving?

Got that baby on the ground yet?

Tell that mare to hurry up, some of us are getting baby fever and want to oohhh and aahhh over a new foal.;)

rosesr4evr said...

Hey Wenchster!

Thanks for passing it along! HACK HACK COUGH COUGH I'm battling a horrible sinus infection. Just wanted to say thanks for sharing!

Aw, come on I have to blame it on somebody. LOL

I really hope you're feeling better and let us know when those babies get here!

Anonymous said...

I feel sorry for the latest person being dragged out, her site exposed on a hate blog so others can make fun of her and her weight and bash her. Why? She posted a CL ad and I guess that's fuglies cue to dive in with her buzzard claws extended, the rest of the vultures are already picking at the carcass.

Anonymous said...

**And you believing everything on the internet without proof just proves you are.**

HELLO? I did not say that I believed it - but it is all over the place and thus not that evil hit-seeking scheme that was suggested. Many of you simply want to believe that anything and everything FHOTD brings up must be false. Even if it is repeated everywhere else on much bigger forums. You give them a pass and yet you will give Cathy hits to complain about it all while complaining about the blog getting hits.

Sort of a WTF moment, that's all.

Anonymous said...

When posters here whine about hypocrisy at FHOTD all the time, they choose not to admit that it runs rampant here. Or maybe they just don't give a shit.

For instance, Dena gets a free pass from many of you for all the bilge she has spewed. And some of you fall all over yourselves to sympathize with her and pat her on the back. You believe all her claims and stories - no matter how outlandish. She said it on the internet - it must be true!! You demand no proof - and yet you rail against any posting on FHOTD that does not have intense documentation attached.

You even give her a pass on bashing other rescues. Dena, my love - you were NOT in the middle of that Dreamchaser/Shiloh affair. Unless you magically flew to Nevada and were there in oerson, you have no idea what actually happened, what was said or what the conditions were. So kindly stop patting yourself on the back. Practice that new leaf you profess to have turned over. I ain't buying it - but whatever.

A lot less hypocrisy on all sides would be refreshing. And I posted as Anonymous to keep some of you from doing what you are always disgusted with FHOTD for doing - your little "investigations".

CharlesCityCat said...

To the last Anon:

No, you posted as anon because you are a coward, let us call a spade what it is, a spade.

Just like a fugly follower, when all else fails, lets bring Dena back into the picture, that way we can divert attention away from what is really going on.

Get over yourself, you're not fooling anyone.

bhm said...

Anon. said...
For instance, Dena gets a free pass from many of you for all the bilge she has spewed. And some of you fall all over yourselves to sympathize with her and pat her on the back. You believe all her claims and stories - no matter how outlandish. She said it on the internet - it must be true!! You demand no proof - and yet you rail against any posting on FHOTD that does not have intense documentation attached.
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You criticize everyone for not getting their facts straight...and OH the hypocrisy of unverified information. Yet, what's the first thing you do is accuse us of believing and encouraging Dena when you have no access to any of our discussions involving Dena.

So, where do you get your information regarding our conversations with Dena... Fugs?...CNJ? Pulling them out of your ass is my guess. Before you start writing holier-than-thou letters, stop for a moment and take a good look at yourself.