So, I just got done watching most of Cathy's youtube videos or at least the painfully funny ones of her riding. What was even more humorous were the comments left on one of her youtube videos. Here are a couple-
"OMG! haha! You suck at riding then say other people suck at riding!!Thats horrrible!"
"are you riding? It's not nice to judge other riders, when you can't ride well.You're not a very good rider, therefore you shouldn't critique other people. Simple as that. "
Poor choice in critiquing other riders on their weight, clothes, and saddle color when you can't ride worth a darn. On top of the video those comments were posted on was another video where Cathy was working a bigger filly and appeared timid and terrified to get the horse to move up into a solid trot, at one point prompting whomever was video taping to ask if Cathy needed her to chase the filly. Funny how someone who claims to be training horses for a drill team can barely ride, let alone train a horse. I really hope that Cathy didn't start VLC. Horses, especially stallions, need to be started right and not by a timid person afraid to get a horse to trot. And another humorous video I found was one of a palomino filly accidentally jumping out of the round pen and a bunch of commentators saying,"The horse should be put in jumpers!"
So my question is. How many of you have had your riding critiqued by a person FAR less qualified? Funny stories always appreciated.
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Oh, I gave her my 2 cents on her riding ability. I need to go watch that filly one, though. She makes a lot of the same riding mistakes I do the first couple weeks of lessons after I've been off for a school year (Lessons are once a week, so 2 rides.) She'd have one hell of a time riding my horse. You're ground bait once he realizes your not going to take control or have the ability to stay on.
I wanted to die on that one with that poor mare showing. That posting trot made my eyes hurt. I can only imagine how much it hurt that mare to have someone slamming down on her. I mean, that trot is all well when you're doing it the first time, but I'd expect something a helluva lot better from her.
But wait...I thought riding polo ponies made you speshul eckspurt!
*headdesk* I just watched the videos... OMG And I thought I was bad...
I've had people do the same thing to my horses and it bugs the hell out of me when it turns out they themselves can't ride crap, yet they say I'm not a good rider or my horses are not properly trianed. I have a QH mare who is 22 now and I have owned her since she was 7. She was broke and trained a little bit but I rode her everyday and she was so well trained you could ride her with nothing but a haystring looped around her neck! A guy who claimed to be a high horse trainer looked at her and said she was worthless and I shouldn't even bother showing he rin the class we were entering..... I won that class and he came in bottom of the barrel! He tried to ride her and it looked like a sack of potatoes floppin all over her. I'm glad she's so patient b/c I would have bucked his ignorant butt off had I been a horse.
I haven't watched the videos as of yet b/c my comp is currently being a butt, but you can bet your last dollar as soon as it's fixed I'm going to log on and probab;y laugh my @$$ off!
Needed to edit my last comment...
"She was broke and trained a little bit but I rode her everyday and she was so well trained you could ride her with nothing but a haystring looped around her neck!" what I meant to say was
She was broke and trained a little bit but I rode her everyday and by the time she was 11 she was so well trained from all the miles I put on her you could ride her with nothing but a haystring looped around her neck!
got a little carried away with my typing and ahead of myself with the story..... sorry!
argh! where are these darn youtube videos!!!!!~!
Tell me about it..
This is a previous Cathy Quote from her blog:
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fuglyhorseoftheday said...
I have to agree with lifelike on Endo. Honestly, can't stand him.
Been riding 32.5 years now. Have ridden LOTS of OTTB's. Have never ONCE felt the need to "lay one down." Traditional training methods are more than capable of resolving the issues seen in his videos. They just take TIME and WORK and they don't make for such good entertainment. His vids are more of what I believe I once described as "theatrical asshattery."
Well, all of us chickenshit riders and re-riders could use some positive thinking, so let's talk about it. Think back over your riding career and tell me about the moment when you got it right and got to bask in the glory!
My friend came out and attempted to keep Very Large Colt somewhat still while I mounted. Predictably, I immediately felt him about to Do Something so I said "LET GO!" I have a pathological fear of being flipped over on, and am fairly convinced if you restrain a nervous horse in any way, that is what will happen. I would rather they gallop down the arena with me half on than go up.
As for me? I got on with that weak in the knees feeling you get right after you avoid a car accident. I was shaking and I knew it. I decided tonight to babble nonstop to myself the whole time -
Where the hell were my guts? I got scared easily. I got off and walked horses back to the barn if they acted barn-sour. I could hardly post halfway around the arena without my stirrups.
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In Cathy's 32.5 yrs of riding, I doubt she has been in the position to ride the caliber of rogues and trouble horses I have to ride.
We can all look good from behind a keyboard but when the going gets tough, the tough "ride on" not get off and walk the horse back to the barn Cath..
All I can say is Thank God she does not wear a helmet.
Exes blue Eyed just go onto youtube and type in catknsn in the search. Her videos should be the first to pop up.
The Wenchster
I posted some pics you know where.
I would genuinely appreciate a conformation critique.
Please?
Paul Are you Endo? Just wondering. Most people who offer up how long they've been riding while putting the ability of others aren't what they say they are once they are in the saddle. I'm only 26 so the fear really hasn't caught up with me yet. That vlc must be a saint. Most horses don't feel safe with someone who is fearful or uncertain. A worried horse makes a dangerous ride. I have noticed that stallions are especially sensitive to people's issues. Nothing against stallions.
On another note, and only because, she has presented herself as such an expert, the following came to mind while watching the videos.
Bibbity Bobbity Boo!!! A very insecure rider if I have ever seen one.
Oh yes, and eye bleach. To quote another famous celebrity fugly follower.
*down the ability of others* Grrr!
I could tell from the PHOTOS Cathy couldn't ride. Good grief.
32.5 years of riding WHAT? The horses at the mall you put a nickel in?
Someone else said it before but I have to echo it.... riding polo ponies does not a good rider make! Talk about push button!
Ugh. She is SUCH a HYPOCRIT. Love watching this beeotch go down in flames... the dam is breaking and we're seeing more and more truth leaking out...
As for the topic...Unfortunately, I work for someone who could not ride their way out of a wet paper bag but feels the need to critique everything I do. I graduated from both a horsemanship and horse training program at the college level. I'm not perfect but... yeah.
Needless to say it is difficult to stomach at most times, even more difficult to bite my tongue... I just think of the money and try to tune her out!
What the heck?? I have to work for a few hours today...finally some decent weather...and I miss all the fun of CNJ's appearance! Drats!!
If you all said it once, you can say it again, a thousand times...she sounded just like everyone else who shows up on fugly to defend themselves. Wow, wonder how it feels to be on the other end of the shooting gallery?
So they got a lot of hits on their freeweb site? Does that count for something? A gold star?
Okay, chores to do and then it's time to pop some popcorn, watch some YouTube videos and get some good belly laughs.
You'd think for all the bragging she does on training she'd have more than two videos of her actually riding. She is awful.
I seriously doubt that's Cathy riding that mare named Vanna. The only one that's for certain is the one in the darkened barn with her riding the paint filly, Casper, western.
AofG
I am having your yesterday. Sorry...
Andalusians Of Grandeur...
Yes and Yes. Horses will pick up on nervous energy which will make them even more agitated which is why some people have so much trouble. Dogs are the same. If you nervous trying to pat a dog, he will pick up on this black energy thinking your a threat and bite you first.
I'm struggling with the nervous energy thing with my mare. I'm an OK rider--not inspired, but not so dreadful. (I actually had a small moment of "oh, I'm better than Cathy...wow..." but then I quelched it since pride goeth before the fall, particularly when one is dealing with horses.)
Anyway, my mare is a nervous horse. I am a nervous rider. When I ride her, she's a spooky mess. When my more confident pal rides her, she's decent. I have been contemplating what to do next, as I'm beginning to think I'm exactly the wrong person for my mare. I can stay on a spooky horse, but my confidence cannot, if you know what I mean. :-)
So, yes, a less confident rider can cause problems for a horse. To me, Cathy looks very meek in the saddle, and by her own admission, she is. That seems problematic to me when you have a young stallion. I mean, I'm trying to figure out what to do next with my 13-year-old mare because of my confidence issues. No way in heck I would take on a stallion!
There's a real disconnect between what Cathy says and what she does.
Hey, Paul! I used the tap on a wild rescue filly who was at the point of charging and had never been halterbroken. I appreciate you getting back to me about the issues my Arab was having with the vet. Thanks a bunch! To all you regulars: Paul does horses and riders a great service and gives excellent and safe advice. Here's my rescue that was crazy before I found your methods Between you and horseproblems.com.au I got her sorted right out.
Ive been lurking on here for a few weeks now. I have been on the fugly site for about a year or so too. I can't say I always agree with you or her, but I do agree with you both at times.
I like the fugly blog for the conformation stuff, but she hasen't been doing that lately. I don't like how she is so anti-arabs. I have two arabs, and yeah they are a hot breed, but they aren't all as bad as she seems to think.
By the way, would somebody post links to these videos of her riding. I would really like to see with my own eyeballs.
If fugly states on one hand that she's ridden for 32.5 years, then she must be around sixty because on the other hand, she claims she's a re-rider who's been out of the saddle for a long while. Just more hypocrisy to add to her long list, I reckon.
~DK
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Well if she is planning on riding the VLC in the shows, might as well geld him now. Not a snowballs chance in hell
Anon...
riding polo ponies does not a good rider make! Talk about push button!
Haha, I was the one who said that...
yeah I know about riding polo ponies, and I would say that video goes to show how they, if anything, completely mess you up as a rider in all other disciplines. Her rolled forward seat and her lifted heels are how you are trained to ride a polo pony. Obviously, for many people it carries over into their everyday riding... as seen here. So um...why does she brag about it? If I were her, I'd hide the fact that I learned on polo ponies under a RUG!
Someone should post this vid on her blog... her followers have a right to know the person they're worshipping as a horse-knowledge-goddess doesn't know what she's doing, right? Eh
AOG,
Your comment about working with a problem horse is very informative. I don't see the difference between using endo tapping compared to other forms of getting a horse to relax. If it works then you are doing something right.
AbbyAugustArabian,
I agree with you about breed bashing. I know Arabs that were wonderful horses.
Is she actually breed bashing or is she just saying stop traumatizing the halter competitors.
BHM: I feel she's breed bashing, although she also has a lot of antipathy for the halter folks. I have a half-Arab, and she's sweet. Although, as mentioned earlier, she's the mare who sometimes gives me a run for the money; but that's about me and about her smarts, not about her breed.
I actually have a hard time understanding what Cathy likes. She's not into Warmbloods. She doesn't seem to know a whole lot about QHs, although she has one she plans to breed. She has trashed Appies. She bashes Arabs. And on and on. I guess she like TBs, which stands to reason since she grew up riding polo.
trainingemmy said...
BHM: I feel she's breed bashing, although she also has a lot of antipathy for the halter folks. I have a half-Arab, and she's sweet. Although, as mentioned earlier, she's the mare who sometimes gives me a run for the money; but that's about me and about her smarts, not about her breed.
I actually have a hard time understanding what Cathy likes. She's not into Warmbloods. She doesn't seem to know a whole lot about QHs, although she has one she plans to breed. She has trashed Appies. She bashes Arabs. And on and on. I guess she like TBs, which stands to reason since she grew up riding polo.
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I'm assuming that she said something personally to you about your horse and made assumptions about your horse's breed.
Cathy does like TBs. She doesn't like Baroque or feathered horses. In her opinion she feels that money spent on these breeds would be better spent on Warmbloods. Now, this is definitely breed bashing.
IMHO, if the horse isn't being hurt then why should she care about what breeds people buy. Best wishes with the Arabs. They're lovely horses.
Holy Crud Batman!!! I am primarily western rider and I can ride circles around that woman, oh, and I have been riding 7 years!!!
And letus not forget how much she dislikes mustangs.
One of my pet peeves with her "opinions" about breeds, is her stance on having papers.
She has shown her ignorance on this topic many times. Horses are regularly bred to produce a specific type for a specific market. They are not registered, but as long as they do the job, no one really cares. This of course is in my area and for my discipline which would be in Viginia where hunters and jumpers are pretty big time.
However, Fugly, in her infinite wisdom, won't concede that she might very well be wrong.
Not going to comment on the videos.
Well darn that was disappointing!
Although, I ride very basic english, just enough to get through the HUS classes, even I can see that her form on Casper is ridiculous. Just like the picture she posted of herself on the Arab at the show.
I kinda wonder if that is her riding in the other video? Even though the saddle slapping post is not indicitive of a good, balanced rider, that person is at least making an attempt to keep her heels down and is not absurdly rolled forward in the hips.
The palomino going over the fence?? Anyone with 32.5 years experience with horses should have been able to tell that baby was thinking about leaving. Continuing to chase her around was dumb. At the very least a longe line should have been added to prevent such a dangerous thing as her jumping the fence from happening.
Gee...hello pot, kettle is posting stupid YouTube videos of herself, her actions and the actions of her friends. Wow!!
trainingemmy said...
I'm struggling with the nervous energy thing with my mare. I'm an OK rider--not inspired, but not so dreadful. (I actually had a small moment of "oh, I'm better than Cathy...wow..." but then I quelched it since pride goeth before the fall, particularly when one is dealing with horses.)
Anyway, my mare is a nervous horse. I am a nervous rider. When I ride her, she's a spooky mess. When my more confident pal rides her, she's decent. I have been contemplating what to do next, as I'm beginning to think I'm exactly the wrong person for my mare. I can stay on a spooky horse, but my confidence cannot, if you know what I mean. :-)
So, yes, a less confident rider can cause problems for a horse. To me, Cathy looks very meek in the saddle, and by her own admission, she is. That seems problematic to me when you have a young stallion. I mean, I'm trying to figure out what to do next with my 13-year-old mare because of my confidence issues. No way in heck I would take on a stallion!
There's a real disconnect between what Cathy says and what she does.
I started a young horse once. Rode him for a good year before we had our first blow-up. He brought his head up, bashed me in the face and bucked, I was on the ground before I knew what happened. The next incident I jumped on him bareback and he spooked at something. I ended up landing on the back of my head and sprained my neck. After that, I could not get back on that horse, I would shake so bad and about throw up. I ended up selling him cause I was making the situation worse with my nervousness. I don't ride young horses anymore, figure I'd do them more harm than good because I am scared. I run barrel horses and have no trouble riding a hot headed seasoned horse, I just won't ride anything that is known to buck or rear.
I took a job riding polo ponies and it was the easiest thing I've ever done on the back of a horse. I could ride one horse while ponying 4 others and text/talk on my cellphone the entire time.
I can't multitask worth a damn.
I quit the job because it didn't challenge me enough - it was boring. I'm not sure how riding polo ponies would ever make you an expert rider.
Thanks Dena for posting the link. I now have to go poke my eyes out.
That horse is clearly not responsive enough to aids to be trotting.
I felt that she was not quite breed bashing, but misrepresenting a breed she had little experiences with. There are several different types of arabs, some more hot than others, but they are all pretty manageable.
Arabs are smart, probably smarter than cathy. Thats probably why she doesn't like them. You have to be about five steps ahead of them at all times. My arabs are very smart. They are that kind of smart that is book smart, but not street savy i guess you would call it. lol
I like it here. I think I'll stay here where its safe. I have been involved with the fugly group for so long I think its affecting my brain.
The video. A teaching critique. The stirrups should be lengthened substantially.
The leg position to provide contact and aid for a young horse?
Non-existent.
Hollow back does not equitation proper make.
The heel position? Won't even go there.
The hands? To her credit it appears she would rather throw away the horses head than bang her mouth.
That holds some promise.
There is zero balance and a fair amount of anxiety. Not a confidence builder for a young horse.
I apologize but that video represents everything NOT to do.
Funny story? I was showing a OTTB Gelding to Bill Nunn one time.
God could that horse jump. Literally spring loaded.
Bill stopped me after the second jump and asked me a few questions about my planning for the jumps.
He received very blank look from me?
He told me I had a great seat and leg position, soft hands, and that I obviously had the ability to inspire a lot of confidence in my horse.
Because I was throwing him away anywhere from 3-5 strides from the actual fence.
I had never had formal jump training, didn't read much back then either.
That man taught me a very lot in about 30 minutes...
And everyone had said to ignore him.
HA! Not on your life...
The funny part is that horse could choose to look at his own belly button midair taking 4' like it was 7' and he was 16.3. I tore a groin muscle when he pulled that stunt.
The throwaway was because I had my eyes closed and a prayer on my lips that it would not happen again.
There are several different types of arabs, some more hot than others, but they are all pretty manageable.
Careful making comments like that, you're sure to meet an unmanageable one soon ;)
I love Arabians. My youngest show horse is an Arabian, my intro to Hunters was with Arabians, they will always have a soft spot in my heart.
That said, I think that anyone who has dealt with Arabians for any length of time can understand why they aren't for everyone. If you want an uncomplicated ride that will be obedient over intelligent, Arabians are very seldom going to serve you well.
Cool comment Sarcasta. Well said.
Very nicely said, Sarcasta!
Abby said: I like it here. I think I'll stay here where its safe. I have been involved with the fugly group for so long I think its affecting my brain.
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I posted for a very long time on FHOTD also, but in recent months it started to get a bit old and the only time I was having fun was when the posts would start to turn to personal conversation and a group of regulars would banter back and forth. I ignored comments on weight or clothing style and tried to glean what I could from real information posted there. Then, when Cathy bashed a group of loyal readers (myself being one of them) on another site I lost all respect for her. I don't care if this is the internet or not, good manners are good manners. Just because insults are made behind the anonymity of a computer screen makes them no less an insult. There are way too many of her readers who think they can say what they want because this isn't "real life". It's very real to the people she features who are affected by the whackos who send hate mail, hound them, find where they live and ride past yelling obscenities. I support her effort to help horses but not how she delights in crushing people.
She really does need to do something about the multitude of her followers who are so hateful to folks she features. Not only does it make her look really bad but it's going to come back and bite her in the butt someday.
I'm awfully grateful that everyone here has been so nice to me and allowed me to post my thoughts.
SWA
I was wondering where you had got to.lol
Another well said...
Dena,
I've been really busy, things are starting to pick up around here. I also have to fight for computer time with the kids. :) I try to get to all of the blogs and see what's up, but I'm usually a day late and a dollar short. :)
I hope things are going well for you...think Spring!
BEC:
'Does that count for something? A gold star? '
It counts for one of those scratch and sniff stickers that say, you're graaape! :D
With the breed bashing thing:
All I can say is, for people like myself who have been in the QH and Paint Pleasure business... she has NO clue what they look for, or how to show it. Just knows NOTHING. Looks like the VLC isn't going to be doing so well... ;)
Sorry Sarcastica,
I misspoke. I ment MOST of them are pretty manageable. You will get the unmanageable ones with all breeds though.
I event on my arab mare and do western on my gelding. He can lope slower than most quarter horses and my mare can out extend a warmblood. They are both under 15hh. I am unfortionately a little too tall for them to do well in hunters, but I don't really like doing hunters much anyway.
Well said, Sarcasta. For me, I think I need a much more uncomplicated ride than my half-Arabian can provide. She offers complexity that, say, my husband's oversized POA just doesn't. (Said POA is the ultimate stoner horse--he likes to eat and hang out and if he could talk, he would probably say something like, "duuuuuude, that's so rad...let's check it out."
I do agree that many Arabs are completely ideal for excellent riders. They have great personalities. They are smart. They are athletic in multiple disciplines. For example, I think I could easily use my mare for dressage (her current discipline), western pleasure (not SO different from dressage in some ways), trail riding (if *I* were a better, more confident rider!), HUS, and possibly even something like endurance. She really is talented. I think I bore her, and when that happens, she thinks of ways to make things more interesting.
I think boredom is the problem some riders experience with Arabians, and that's sometimes misidentified as "hot."
Dressage in Jeans Said:
All I can say is, for people like myself who have been in the QH and Paint Pleasure business... she has NO clue what they look for, or how to show it. Just knows NOTHING. Looks like the VLC isn't going to be doing so well... ;)
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Thank you! I stopped taking that blog seriously when she went off on Lunge Line in AQHA she really has absolutely no darn idea what she is talking about, I don't even do lungeline but that and picking apart the eq on an aqha HUS rider told me this woman is an idiot and should stick to petting lame rescues and polo ponies.
the VLC is Not pleasure material, I predict she will never have a proper headset on him and he will never be slow enough for WP or big strided enough for HUS. there I said it and I am not sorry!
I ran a little Arab gelding in barrels for about two years. Talk about discrimination! I don't know how people gave me dirty looks or told me I was at a disadvantage cause I wasn't riding a QH. Then they'd be all pissed off when I took home a check and they didn't, lol. The one I rode was pulled off a meat truck, full of lice and emaciated. The girl that got him brought him back and got him healthy, used him on endurance rides and then speed events. That horse has brought up many kids just learning to ride, he is awesome! He's pretty much retired now and just hangs out and babysits the youngsters at the breeding farm she works at.
I predict VLC will NEVER be shown by Miss Fug. EVER.
Due to all of her justification for keeping him a stud, everyone, and I mean everyone, us included, will be watching to see how he does.
Hell, she admits to being afraid of riding him in a private arena what is she going to do in a public venue? A thousand eyes......
The pressure of that alone not to mention her poor riding skills is enough to make her crack.
She is always writing about sending him to a trainer, did she ever mention going herself? Might not be such a bad idea lest she revert to her prior polo experience and try whacking somebody with a mallet.
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Aha, the visual on that one!!!!
Wow I leave a comment yesterday check it today and BAM tons of more comments!!! I love how there has been a quote from Cathy saying she gets off and walks back to the barn if she gets nervous or the horse is too much. I will amdit there have been times I felt like doing just that with an old appy I once owned and let me tell you, the 1 time ONE time I did that, he took advantage of it and was a complete ass the remiander of the time I owned him. I NEVER get off and wlak the horse back to the barn if I am nervous or the horse is being an idiot. I ride it out. The horse is only allowed to go back to the comfort of the barn when it has yielded to my wishes and behaves like a nice pony. I know it won't be an easy task but by God the horse is not gonna gte the best of me b/c if they do one time, they will try it EVERY time.
I still haven't watched the videos of her riding and by the comments that have been made I don't think there is much need to unless I just want to laugh. I'm no expert on riding by any means. I've been riding for nearly 20 years now but I'm just started lessons with an english trainer to improve my form, plus secretly I have always wanted to learn to jump... shhhhhh dont' tell my parents (mom watched Gone With The Wind WAAAAAAAYYYYY too many times to allow me lessons for jumping when I was younger.) but I do know that regardless of all that your butt doesn't slap the saddle if you have been riding for 32 years. I've not ridden english is probably 15 years but in my first lesson it took maybe 2 laps around the rail to get into rythm and post correctly....... how after 32 year of continous riding can she not so that?
I'm with Anon...I don't think the VLC will ever make it to the show ring. If he isn't with a professional trainer by now, he will never be ready to show this summer...especially if Cathy finds a trainer who doesn't take short-cuts to whip him into shape.
I kinda get the feeling that all her talk about showing him is just her way of excusing herself for doing the very thing she bashes other people for.
But in reality, I hope she does drop thousands upon thousands of dollars on him in training fees, hauling fees, showing fees, entry fees and all of the hundreds of little things that trainers tack onto that "promotional" bill. She might figure out why so many people don't, can't afford too or won't spend that kind of money on promoting their stallions.
I can name four or five people off the top of my head that have been destroyed financially because they decided they were going to "promote" a stallion in the horse show world. The costs associated with getting a horse to the top...astronomical if you have to pay someone else to do it. Extremely expensive even if you have the capabilities to do a lot of the work yourself.
Not to mention that her reputation will proceed her in the show ring. If she thinks the judges, the ring stewards and the other competitors won't know whose horse that is and judge him accordingly...she is crazy. But of course, that will be her excuse of why he is inacapable of winning, it will all be blamed on show ring politics. She will just have to retire him and go ahead with her breeding "program" to prove what a valuable asset he is to future generations.
Anon said...
I know it won't be an easy task but by God the horse is not gonna gte the best of me b/c if they do one time, they will try it EVERY time.
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Your absolutely correct about this. I think it's best for an inexperienced rider to get off and walk the horse. It' bad training for the horse, but it would probably prevent an injury to the rider.
these videos were an eye opener, i have followed fugs for a long time, but i enjoy this blog too!I teach riding lessons, hunters/eq and dressage, and good riding, the basics follow through in all seats, and on all horse, although, some horses can be harder to ride then they look, anyone can ride in their comfrot one and be a "good rider", but a good rider can ride well out of their comfort zone.
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BrownEyed Cowgirls said...
But in reality, I hope she does drop thousands upon thousands of dollars on him
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Which brings up another point. She admits to moving frequently and living in "dumps" so that she can provide care to all of her horses. Great. So what part of saving your money and buying a place of your own is not providing security? At what age do you grow up? Living with roommates at whatever dumpy place you can afford at 40+ years old is not noble, it is ridiculous. I am sure her Explorer is not much better and probably has to mooch a trailer when the need arises.
So keep the old ladies, sell/giveaway VLC and any others and save some money for YOUR future and security. THEN pursue showing. Because eventually, your welcome will be worn out.
To speak to Wenchster's original question, I think everyone can improve in their riding, and having someone review your riding ability can be extremely useful, even if the person who makes a comment isn't as advanced as you are. I actually had this happen at a lesson last fall. A neighbor kid who was interested in seeing what my lessons are like stopped by and watched. It was a disastrous lesson, but while my lesson was failing miserably, the kid made a comment about my mare and the way I was riding her that made me stop and think and actually resulted in a break-through in the way I was thinking about a problem. (Not at that moment, unfortunately!)
Even the best riders in the world still work with other people to continue learning and growing as horsemen and women. Learning should be a lifelong pursuit, and learning from a valued mentor can be an awesome experience that results in give and take between the two people.
My problem with Cathy is that she's set herself up as an expert--the voice of snark on all things horse. So, instead of making moderate comments about someone's ability...such as "this person could benefit from x, y, z" or "according to instructor x, using blah can result in y," etc., she rips on people.
Honestly, there are just so many other, better sites than Cathy's. Two sites I enjoy reading are Behind the Bit and Julie Goodnight. Here are two recent examples that I find quite moderate and useful in their approach:
Harvey at 22: Talk about showing by example! Cathy/Fugly could take a page out of this blogger's book. In this post, Stacey brags a bit about her own 22-year-old TB gelding, Harvey. She includes videos and she provides some funny commentary on how much she loves this old guy and why she thinks he's held up so nicely under years of regular riding.
Should I sell my horse?: Julie Goodnight offers some sensible, practical, no-nonsense advice to a recently injured rider who wonders if her horse is the right one for her. In case you don't want to read the entire page, my favorite part of the response is when Goodnight says, "He is a great horse, although young and flighty, and I can understand your reluctance to part with him. But life is too short to get hurt when you can avoid it and lord knows, we don't heal like we used to. If you do sell him, look for a horse that is 12 years old or older and has 'been there and done that.' My personal horse is 24 and she is an awesome ride and it is wonderful to have a horse that can stand in the pasture for a year and you can walk in, saddle up and go like you rode every day. Age and experience is not only nice, it is invaluable."
To my mind, those two links demonstrate what moderation, kindness, insight look like.
Three cheers for continuing education! Though I took huntseat lessons as a girl, and rode for years w/out an instructor, when it came time to get back on a horse I knew I needed to start all over again. For one thing, back in the 'olden days' we were taught to grip our knees like there was no tomorrow. This in turn led to flared out lower legs. Pretty strange. About 16 years ago, I decided to take lessons again. I learned to accept the fact that I was placed in the 'beginner flat' schooling program. Yes, it was much like taking baby steps all over again, but I learned sooo much from my instructor, as I worked on all three gaits on the flat and lateral work as well. Now, after yet another few years' hiatus from riding, I am doing a one-day lease on a sweet, older gelding at our local barn. You bet I took instruction again, from one of our best trainers. She has helped me to get to know this horse's quirks and strengths, as well as my own.
Riding is an ongoing education, isn't it? And for what it's worth, I also like to read books by Sally Swift, and Mary Wanless. Sometimes imagery helps.
-Trish aka Padraigin_WA
sorry, but I meant to use my avatar for the above Anon posting...
Isn't VLC just that? A Colt?
Well, here is a thank you from his breeder to Fugs for the purchase of a TB Filly to train for over fences. Is that a palomino or buckskin?
And a few nice mares she bought, also. Nice.
http://www.yellowhorsesinc.com/sold.html
Hmmm, don't ever remember hearing about these.
Lucy, you gots some splaining to do.
I think the point that needs to be made is that Fugly was popular with her ugly opinions.
People loved to go to that site in droves.
Loved to show their asses for the prejudicial fools that they were.
Because no one, until recently, challenged that it was not okay to abuse others in that fashion.
It is similar to the congressman who does terribly wrong things, but, is only sorry after getting caught.
Cathy conducted herself in a vulgar pig like manner, and a certain sector of the world ate it up.
This has been a long time coming.
A very long time...
And used it as an excuse to conduct themselves in a similar manner.
On todays Fugly blog from the Queen herself when asked about some secret videos she keeps promising to release:
fuglyhorseoftheday said...
>>Soooo... how about a HINT as to the content of these Supah Sekrit Videos that are being dangled in front of us like carrots? ;-) <<
Let's just say one topic is Trainer De-Equitation. I swear some of these people look like two chickens trying to flap their way out of a burlap sack.
Ironic, huh? Looks like FWOTD scooped her on this one.
"Lucy, you gots some splaining to do."
I lol'ed.
~DK
No good stories, but the whole comment on Endo made me laugh. Whoever said that in her 32.5 years of riding, she probably hasn't had to ride the "rogues" like Endo has, is true. He gets the worst of the worse because of how well he is able to get through to them.
Not only that, but he's on a pretty short time frame. He doesn't have the TIME to "take it slow" and use a lot of traditional methods. If he can't get those rogues to behave and racing in a short amount of time, guess where they will end up? You guessed it. He's gotta do what he's gotta do in a very limited amount of time, and I think he's one hell of a rider. I'm constantly amazed at how well he's able to stay on some of those horses! If I had the choice between sending my horse to him and sending it to Fugs, it'd be going to him no questions asked.
Ok has anyone seen the one of the pally jumping the fence???? First off Crazy Color Collector *cough cough!* and how old is that horse anyways??
Glad to come over to the 'dark' side and see someone telling the truth
I have read FHOTD & VLC almost from their beginnings and am mostly a lurker, I very rarely comment. I do agree that there is a lot of gratuitous (sp) venom spewed over there. A virtual "feeding frenzy" can erupt at the drop of a comment or two from Cathy or her more rabid readers.
In the spirit of fairness I have to admit that there are many things I agree with and in fact have experienced similiar to her work with horses through the years. I have said it before, I had to earn my knowledge off the sweat and tears I have shed. I am thankful for it and I feel that while I am not an expert on any one thing I have a good working knowledge of everything equine. I even have gotten a guilty charge out of some of the FHOTD snark, but I agree that a lot of the time lately it has gotten out of hand.
That being said, I wonder what you all would say about my riding skills if you could see me. I can get the job done and I also teach BUT unfortunately due to the physical changes from (gasp) aging and weight gain I no longer have the equitation I had in my 20's and 30's. I am also not as bold a rider either. While I will still get on some "squirrels" I know that I ride much more defensively.
All I am saying is could it be age has affected her riding and psyche and that is why she admits to feeling apprehensive at times? Maybe those changes have affected her eq as well. Like I said, I may not be as correct in the saddle now but that doesn't mean I cannot recognize good or bad horsemanship and teach well too.
Please note that I am not defending anyone for being nasty. I'm just saying....
appywoman,
In my opinion, equitation is not something you sacrifice when the going gets tough. It's something that is put in place so that you stay out of your horse's way so he can travel correctly. The more problems you have, the more business you DON'T have being on babies or training.
Equitation isn't something for the show ring, its for the horse. And whilst I know not everyone has great equitation, not everyone trains. Trainers have to be at their best--how can they expect their horse to work if the horse has to overcome their trainer's balance issues, too?
Cathy can trail ride and show with poor equitation for all I care--but don't get on babies who have their own balance issues. Don't get on a horse and say, 'you're doing it wrong!' when YOU'RE doing it wrong too.
I have no problem with people learning, either. If they say, 'I suck but I'm trying!' well then great! If they say, 'I suck but I've been riding for almost 40 years'... well then good for you, you've been doing it wrong.
As an old arthritic rider who has been up on just about every critter I could catch at one time or another, equitation is relative. To the job, to the horse, to the rider, to the situation. I've seen far too many riders fly off in perfect form all the way to the ground splat.
As long as the rider is on top and the horse is happy, anything else can be worked out as details to make the ride smoother, more refined and easier. Good equitation is balanced and flows with the horse's movement and mind. Anything else will make the horse unhappy. (Bouncing butts and yanking hands, tight legs and hips and back...)
Too many instructors try to use their own discipline's idea of perfect form to fit all situations. My body position on a green colt is different than on a made horse. (Toe out, cowgirl calf muscle survival mode if they're gonna blow comes to mind!) Balance, loose and easy from your core muscles, without sagging, is the first rule.
Seems like the riders who are wannabees are the first to loudly proclaim their ignorance by jumping all over other people!
Funniest critique? I rode my Morgan in a show on a bad day, and he was doing his best to take off with me. I had 40 pound of PO'd Morgan head in both hands. A spectator came up and told me that I was "much too stiff in my lower back." I realized that I was a better rider than I thought I was. She had completely missed the nuclear war battle of wills that was going on during that class! Morgan gave it up and we placed pretty good for the rest of the show. Can't EVER let an opinionated horse win.
I tend to disagree just a little. I ride colts and greenies defensively in that I am read for 'attacks' lol, but I don't change my position. Greenies need all the help from me I can get. Hugging with your legs can pop you out of the saddle faster. I've seen so many trainer's 'defensive mode' (not yours :) ] become a lean forward, hold on, elbows out thing where they forget that they're training the horse!
I too have seen plenty of 'pretty' riders hit the dirt... usually because they're just that. Pretty, but they can't ride! You can learn to 'perch' on the saddle and never learn how to stay in the saddle. Classical dressage equitation--not that hunter-jumper fashion junk--is always going to serve you pretty damn well in any area. :)
Wenchster can i email you an interesting tid bit that totally pertains to your blog?
"Classical dressage equitation--not that hunter-jumper fashion junk--is always going to serve you pretty damn well in any area. :)"
Except over a jump, or flat racing, or steeple-chasing or trail-riding or......
If you don't shorten your stirrups, you are not helping, at all. What counts is what you're doing with that unique horse.
Just sayin.
The Junk is on top.
crap, I said I wasn't going to do this anymore.
Guess I wasn't listening. How annoying:)
Oh, and ridiculous. LOL!
To clarify, didn't mean grab with legs, just be prepared to use the stronger edge of the back calf muscle if needed, then right back to proper inside calf muscle contact. I ride the onery ones in shorter stirrups or my western saddle. I do so much groundwork that the 'just green' ones pretty much know what they're doing.
New Post LBTD. AQHA Geldings...
kestrel, I do so much groundwork as I get older, they are pretty much broke before I get on anymore. lol Hey, live and learn right?
I ride the naughty or young ones with a little shorter stirrup. I don't like that bottoming out feeling if it gets 'western'. I also sit lighter on the young ones. I rarely sit the trot on them, tend to have more weight in my stirrup.
GoLightly
Proper equitation always serves well doesn't it.
I know it allowed me to change disciplines like underwear without too many bumps.
Irritating and annoying? You? Never...
And no, I don't lean forward. I don't really want to die. lol
Dying's really bad, and dirt usually tastes lousy! :)
Yeah, think I've taken my share of dirt samples this lifetime, thank you very much. lol
Just a few points of clarification, #1 the video of the palomino filly jumping out of the round pen is my video, Cathy only put it onto You Tube for me. The person lunging the filly is a friend and I was doing a sales video for someone in OK as an English horse. I thought sending her over a couple of tiny hay bales would show her jumping form. As you can tell from my voice we were quite surprised when she jumped out of the 5' round pen. I made that video years before I ever met Cathy. If you care to look, the fillies name is A Capricious Blonde.
#2 The 2 mares Cathy purchased from me were Kit Cluesive who is now deceased, and Beau's Belleringer whom she still has as a retired pet. She originally wanted to ride Belle and did a little, but her stifle had an old previous injury and she now has arthritis in her knees.
Speaking of riding ability. My Pearl had a serious brain fart today and bolted. One rein stops do not stop a freight train. Just one of those special moments (she spooked over a horse she knows well in a nearby pasture). We hit a fence at 45 degree angle and went down. Better then the other option if I let her head go which was a colt behind an electric fence or a sharp turn and a tractor. I almost jumped off, but not quite. Took a saddle horn to the thigh. Got up, checked herself and myself out and then finished our training session. I'd love to see Fugly do that. For the record I think Endo is one of the best riders I have set eyes on.
"Classical dressage equitation--not that hunter-jumper fashion junk--is always going to serve you pretty damn well in any area. :)"
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I agree that position is necessary if the rider is to jump properly. The second problem is that the jumping saddle will throw you out of position. You need the extra bend. Riders like Ian Miller are astonishingly graceful.
Dressageinjeans
I admit that at first my hackles rose a little when I first read your post...started to take it too personally.
Yes, I have to agree that what you pointed out does make sense to a degree. Babies do need a well-balanced rider due to their own balance issues.
I don't think that we should "sacrifice" equatation at all but I am saying that sometimes the mind is willing but the body doesn't follow. Maybe my choice of words weren't the best when I used the term "defensive." Probably my eq does become better when I am on a horse that may give me some grief. I do know that I am more likely to be tenser and hold my breath which the horse senses, that's all. After I settle then he usually settles. Do I train greenies...no I don't, not any more, but I do ride horses that have some issues now and then and we get through it. May not be classically pretty nor techinically correct now but the horse and I, more often than not, come together for a successful ride.
I guess I want to make it plain that I do not think equitation is reserved for the show ring either. My students are real riders who don't just pose in the ring and sit on an automatic babysitter to collect the ribbons.
I am not defending Fugly but I just thought I might point out that for ALOT of us, things have changed with the passage of time.
TexasPaint said...
For the record I think Endo is one of the best riders I have set eyes on.
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Ouch! Sorry to hear about your accident.
Agreed. You have to be an excellent rider to get anywhere with a difficult horse. In MHO, this where the great riding skills and a good feel are truly needed.
That being said, I wonder what you all would say about my riding skills if you could see me. I can get the job done and I also teach BUT unfortunately due to the physical changes from (gasp) aging and weight gain I no longer have the equitation I had in my 20's and 30's.
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I don't see anyone here having a problem with you. I'm in the same boat and understand what you are saying.
The contention is that Cathy would have a BIG problem with your riding. She wouldn't care if you are learning or have physical problems. It's because she makes no allowances that the posters here have a problem with her.
To the anonymous poster who posted...
"Whoever said that in her 32.5 years of riding, she probably hasn't had to ride the "rogues" like Endo has, is true. He gets the worst of the worse because of how well he is able to get through to them."
The poster is Endo himself, Paul.
And I have to agree, his riding skills are mad.
I'm not as 'pretty' in the saddle as I was in my 20's and 30's either. Oh well. I don't look the same in a bikini either. lol Now it's more of a threat than a promise...ya know. "Should I wear a bikini?" Hah!
However, I was at a clinic with a known dressage rider/trainer. At the end of my ride she says, "You are not a pretty rider, but you are effective."
So for a few years all I heard was, "You're not a pretty rider." I was telling a friend this story, and what the instructor had said. My friend's response, "XXXXX said you were effective? Shut-up." Okay, so I guess I'll take effective if I have to choose one. I'd really like to have both though. lol
horspoor said...
I'm not as 'pretty' in the saddle as I was in my 20's and 30's either. Oh well. I don't look the same in a bikini either. lol Now it's more of a threat than a promise...ya know. "Should I wear a bikini?" Hah!
I about snorted an ice cube up my nose! I feel the same way though.
Horspoor I'm not that pretty of a rider anymore either. Now my joints are in so much pain I'll sit there and think "heels down- oh crap! That hurts." And it won't be just my heels and legs hurting- if those heels go down it feels like my spine is being pulled with it. With my health I only get to ride on those few good days that my BC meds don't knock me out or cause me to be in too much pain. Lately I don't focus so much on my form but rather just riding and getting the best out of my horse.
I have to say though. I won't be training green horses right now. Any green horse, no matter the gender needs a firm, correct hand. They don't need a timid, in pain rider that is to scared to ask for a trot or lope. I've seen to many horses have to go through retraining and take months to completely start from ground up because their owner thought to highly of their ability to correctly start the horse.
Wenchster,
I ride a lot of green horses or horses that got a bad start or just have issues. I'm moving away from that now (okay, I'm working on that). I'll be 46 on Saturday. Figure I don't need to get hurt fixing someone elses mess. And if I've started thinking like that, it's getting to be time to call it.
There is a whole slew of young riders coming up. I have two just started horses of my own that I don't seem to get around to. And a lovely coming 8 year old mare that needs work. She isn't near where she should be. They sit, while I ride others.
One of my instructors expects me to be at the Nationals on my young gelding in 2010. I need to get moving on this. (I don't think she was thinking training level). lol
Yeah stuff hurts, but it doesn't sound anything like yours. Man, that has to be tough. I still just need 4 Ibuprofen, and I'm good to go.
dontyouridenofuglyhorse...I was looking over your website and I am wondering how exactly you got branded a "krazykolor" breeder?
From what I see, you have some well bred and good-looking horses show-type horses. The picture of the VLC as a 2y/o shows him to be a very handsome horse, although in my very humble opinion nothing that denoted leaving him a stallion. It is unfortunate that he ended up with someone who has made a joke of your breeding program. I can imagine this whole ordeal has been difficult, because it looks like other horses have gone on and done well in the show world.
So I guess what I am wondering is what did you see in the horse that made you decide to leave him a stallion? And do you think after seeing his two existing foals that he is something you would have kept a stallion?
**I'm not asking in a nasty way, I'm truly curious of your honest opinion of him and what he has produced.
GoLightly,
Sure, you need to be able to jump correctly. That's good classical equitation.
But like I said, the FASHION part of hunter jumper is crap--the shitty crest release, the perched riders, the crammed down heels.
appywoman,
There's nothing wrong with that. ;) I just think with all the equitation slander and crying Fugly sometimes does, there should be something to back it up with!
I'll admit that I still read FHOTD (heck its even on my blogroll) but its mostly for stuff like today's post (the update on the horses abandoned in BC)
I rarely comment, and I try not to act like a prejudicial, brainwashed sheep when I do.
I hadn't been reading fug's blog for very long before I realized that she contradicts herself, makes excuses for certain people and that a lot of the "mafia" are cowardly mental midgets. Not to mention the fact that most of them would probably fail if judged by their 'high priestess'
Now, I'm going to have to check out those youtube vid's... I could use a giggle!
BEC: I'm a bit lost... what did I miss re CNJ?
Blogger BrownEyed Cowgirls said:"dontyouridenofuglyhorse...I was looking over your website and I am wondering how exactly you got branded a "krazykolor" breeder?
From what I see, you have some well bred and good-looking horses show-type horses. The picture of the VLC as a 2y/o shows him to be a very handsome horse, although in my very humble opinion nothing that denoted leaving him a stallion. It is unfortunate that he ended up with someone who has made a joke of your breeding program. I can imagine this whole ordeal has been difficult, because it looks like other horses have gone on and done well in the show world.
So I guess what I am wondering is what did you see in the horse that made you decide to leave him a stallion? And do you think after seeing his two existing foals that he is something you would have kept a stallion?
**I'm not asking in a nasty way, I'm truly curious of your honest opinion of him and what he has produced."
I truly am not sure how I got branded a Krazy Kolor Breeder.... Just because I have an emphasis on color in my program does not mean that is my only criteria for selecting breeding stock. So?
The reason that VLC was left a colt is that he is truly a breathtaking mover. His lope is absolutely incredible, so slow, and so soft, and so balanced that it naturally is the lope that people pay thousands of dollars to hope to train a horse to do. He has very correct conformation and if you search the world wide web for a 16+ hand colored stallion that is a pleasure horse with some real talent they are not easy to find. He is worth a shot at showing. It is never too late to geld a calm quiet stallion if he cannot pass the muster as show horse.
You ask my opinion of the foals he produced? Well they are not bad foals, are they great foals? I don't know that yet. BUT they are not out of mares I would have chosen to breed to him. He is a PLEASURE horse and the mares that he was bred to are more halter type and bred, and if I was CHOOSING for him that would not be where I would have looked. It is difficult to explain that to a 2 yr old stallion running free with a herd of mares in heat though. :-)
When you break down the quancast results you will find on all levels that 9% of fhotd addicts are responsible for 67% of her daily, weekly, and monthly traffic.
49% of regulars are responsible for 28% of the same results.
Which means 9% of her gross numbers are responsible for 2/3 of her traffic reports.
The regulars generate less than 1/3.
And 5% are titled passerbys.
9% of 41,000 is actually 3,690.
Not 41,000 individuals.
Figure in the multiple screen names from multiple accounts and I think that number more accurately becomes somewhere in the 370-400 range.
Based on mass withdrawl from the fhotd site there are now approximately 20 posters.
With all the *yawns* last weeks news to 60 year old submissions and the unimaginative writing styles of all involved it should be interesting to see what next months results actually are.
Pseudo celebrity? This writer predicts that fuglyhorseoftheday is fast becoming passe.
Dontridenofuglyhorse
Appreciate your responses. But let's separate the shit from the shine shall we?
Your website reflects halter type. Not performance type.
Could you please explain what your qualifications are to assess performance stock?
And you can talk it anyway you want to talk it but 16+ color stallions are not plentiful?
Yeah okay then. So color with size is a new idea?
And you think there is exactly what percentage of a chance that the lope will prove a prepotency pass on?
I don't mean to be rude but politesse double talk irritates me.
'world wide web for a 16+ hand colored stallion that is a pleasure horse with some real talent they are not easy to find.'
...What internet do you have out there? ;) Not trying to be bitchy, it's just that with height now finding it's home in the pleasure world in a big way, you're statement is terribly false.
dontyouridenofuglyhorse:
Just to point out a few things that go against the words of Fugs.
The video of the pally mare- it is in her name, she owns it, it's her in my book. Can't tell otherwise. What is she always says about posting stuff on the web? If you don't want people to look at it and make fun of your asshattery- don't post it. Once it is out there, it is free game. Do you NOT read her blog and see how she has exploited this line of thinking?
Care to share dates of the purchase of the mare and filly?
After all, she has written that her only experience at owning a foal/weanling/yearling prior to VLC was one that was DUMPED on her while she was still on the east coast. And that one was a colt.
No issue with the mare at all, unless she was purchased as I suspect as a broodmare.
No issues at all with your horses, breeding program or even the VLC. IMHO- I am quite turned off by the VLC bashing for NO ONE on the WWW can truly see performance and conformation. NO ONE.
I find the defense of the video and two mares odd. Why the defense? You are not at fault here and as I understand it, she did you dirty too.
Could your SN be an alter? It is odd you do not link to your website and have chosen a completely different screen name than the ones you use elsewhere. Kinda smells Fugly, if you know what I mean. How many times did she claim someone posted using HER SN?
So since you have opened a dialog about the VLC, how about proof it is actually Yellow Horses? I think it would be in poor taste and unfair to continue any further dialog until we know we are actually speaking with the source.
The thing is, dontride, Fugly would castigate someone who ever allowed a stallion out amongst mares (accidental or otherwise).
With VLC it was an "oops" moment; anyone else's and they would have branded as a "stoopid BYB" with his/her name, number and phone number plastered all over the blog.
And THAT'S what people have a problem with...
hmmm not showing my updated blog, but on a different note this is just stupid
http://www.click2houston.com/video/18789383/index.html
I posted something similar about equestrians losing rights, and this is 15 minutes from me.
Dressageinjeans
no intent to be nasty either. TX, OK, ND, SD, just to name a few places to find a 16+ pleasure stud.
Established with points.
The ones without points are even more prolific.
And again, no offense, no one was breeding for performance, the VLC was a bred for halter who was culled.
A handsome gelding prospect? I would agree.
Stallion material? It is a free world.
Just extremely hypocritical of someone of Cathy's history.
Dressageinjeans
simple google 22 second response
"16 hand buckskin pleasure stallion"
results? 19,000.
I guess you are right. my statement rings false that color stallions with size are plentiful.
Dressageinjeans
no intent to be nasty either. TX, OK, ND, SD, just to name a few places to find a 16+ pleasure stud.
Established with points.
Please name these horses. I have found many 16+ hand halter stallions, but no pleasure stallions.
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"Your website reflects halter type. Not performance type.
Could you please explain what your qualifications are to assess performance stock?"
I do not just breed for halter stock. If you look closely, my stock is made up of horses that are bred to do both halter and pleasure. Most are AQHA champion bred, except for a daughter of Sir Cool Skip whom I have tried selling a few times. I for one am someone who believes the specialization of the quarter horse is a BAD thing.
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I do find it rather ironic that an anonymous blogger would ask if I was who I say I am....
For any of you who think I am Cathy and not me please feel free to email me off my website at www.yellowhorsesinc.com and speak to me privately.
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Cathy has never even seen the palomino filly that jumped out of the round pen in person. I sold that horse 2 years before I met her. The old mare Beau's Belleringer was purchased in 2006 and VLC was purchased in 2008. She has never purchased a filly from me only old mares and two colts. One is VLC and the other an orphaned weanling which is her now 2 yr old appendix colt or maybe gelding. I don't know if he is still a colt.
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"Could you please explain what your qualifications are to assess performance stock?"
Before my back injury I rode and showed in both breed and open shows, both English and Western. I took years of riding lessons as a child in Oregon City from a famous guy named Shrake, and then as an adult from his brother. My daughter also rode English and Western with me.
Ana I did the google search in quotes and got one page.
Seriously folks why attack VCL's breeder? She did not geld him because she liked him and thought he moved nice. I don't think he's a bad horse, not my cup of tea. We are entitled to our opinions as equine owners and once you sell a horse it's out of your hands. She is in no way responsible for what happens with VCL at this point.
It was asked, she gave her reasons simple enough. You don't have to agree with them, but why be ugly about it? I bet if she could have predicted the future VCL would not be where he is now.
darn it fingers got ahead of me, I meant anon not ana.
I gotta agree with Texas Paint on this one. I don't feel the breeder was irresponsible. I think it's unfair to attack the horse or breeder because of the current owner.
Hey, I'm not a fan of Shrake, but a bunch of people are. If you were looking to do the right thing with your pleasure horses, he is a name in that world. Oh yeah, I'm not a pleasure person. lol
Dontridenofuglyhorse
Thank you for your responses to MY queries.
I never even implied you were Cathy however.
You mention Shrake. Are you referring to Richard? Or another?
And again, without meaning to offend.
My issue with the VLC thing is this, if, you have a responsible breeding program and responsible promotion for stallions, "why", would you sell a representative of your breeding program "intact" to someone without a real ability to make the stallion/gelding decision?
If, he was intact at 2 that says a lot about what your thoughts were for him.
And please note I have not said one word about the uncontrolled breedings he participated in while owned by you.
Cathy has repeatedly promoted using the WWW that she has experts involved in her decision making.
I am not attacking you. Or being ugly.
But your word alone does not establish the VLC as a true talent or stallion material without some type of qualification.
If, that offends or seems ugly well my goodness welcome to the horse world.
And one could claim you are biased as he is a product of your breeding program.
Texaspaint
I believe I said it is a free world.
And I also said it made Cathy look very hypocritical.
And I am probably guilty of skepticism. Of anyone who has fugly in their screen name.
I am not trying to be ugly. I am questioning.
Breeders more than anyone right now have very pat answers to justify bringing more horses into an already overcrowded and underfunded market.
And a history of selling to whoever has the purchase price.
And one could claim you are biased as he is a product of your breeding program.
Well considering I personally have left exactly 4 colts intact over the age of 2 out of over 200 produced in my life, I obviously saw something in the horse.
And YES it is Richard Shrake I took lessons from, although in those days he was known as Dick Shrake and had a place called Horsemanship West. I have also taken many lessons from his brother.
Thank you dontridenofuglyhorse.
You certainly have been faced with defending a big mess. The shame of it is, that if Cathy had any integrity, none of this would be left to question. Does not seem to bother her that she dirties all in her path.
It must cause you pain everytime she refers to her aged mares as rescues for it sure looks like you have taken good care of your horses. At least that is the persona she would like to portray.
You are honorable and whether people agree or not, you are loyal to your breeding program.
And if it was at your place that Champ was at, thank you again. You are a good soul and do not deserve to be associated in any form with trash like Fugs.
We are now in the middle of a snowstorm.
They are predicting 11". So depressing. I was just able to see the grass.
HP OT Do you think I should take down Jasmines mane?
I know it will give her a cleaner look. And I will be taking her feathers in the Spring.
God, it is like having a little boy, with beautiful curls, and taking him in for that first haircut.
Dontridenofuglyhorse I only have one question.
And, I would understand, if, you chose not to answer it on a message board.
Do you respect what Cathy does?
I am sorry if you are taking heat.
I think, people just have a problem, with her criticizing the world, at large, and then, acting, as though, she is the only one experienced enough, to do, what she tells everyone else not to.
"One is VLC and the other an orphaned weanling which is her now 2 yr old appendix colt or maybe gelding. I don't know if he is still a colt."
Do you know if she still has this 2year old?
"One is VLC and the other an orphaned weanling which is her now 2 yr old appendix colt or maybe gelding. I don't know if he is still a colt."
Do you know if she still has this 2year old?
I just read the VLC blog page and she mentions putting him up for sale. So I assume she still has him. She also called him a gelding.
dontyouridenofuglyhorse-
Did I read somewhere that you are no longer friends with Fugly?
Do you worry about the horses she bought from you as her life is so unstable.
"Do you worry about the horses she bought from you as her life is so unstable."
No. She will do ANYTHING necessary to care for her horses. ANYTHING.
Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...
"Do you worry about the horses she bought from you as her life is so unstable."
No. She will do ANYTHING necessary to care for her horses. ANYTHING.
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As would all of us. But with her, sordid images come to mind.
Do your self a favor, you seem very nice- disengage from her. It will only bring harm to you and yours in the long run. She is a big, big girl and can handle herself quite well. Let her defend herself, she created the situation, not you.
Dontridenofuglyhorse
I believe I may have found my answer in your recent response.
If so, thank you.
I personally like the Heza Sheza heaping plateful horses.
Not quite sure what they are good for out of the halter.
But they always make me go,"Wow".
Wenchster
I assume you are a very busy person.
But you did realize I was very sincere in my request for you to do a conformation critique on Jasmine right?
I would really appreciate your opinion.
I find it to be very educated.
Thanks
A CNJ defender is on the earlier post bashing everyone.
Dena, sorry I haven't made it over to your blog yet. Have been pretty busy with a few pregnant mares- foaling season is here! I will get over there ASAP. :)
Wenchster ohhh you shameless thing.
Babies? I loooove babies...
I have never done the breeding thing myself.
Been around it plenty, years ago.
It is awe inspriring.
Which is why, I don't get on the breeding bash wagon.
I just never felt qualified or had the patience to wait that long.
I hope you share pictures.
Thanks Wenchster
She is the perfect example of why I do not breed.
I never saw either parent in the equation.
But I have to presume based on the result that Sire was very prepotent.
And I don't want to practice and be wrong about whether or not that would be the prepotency she would bring to the picture.
Otherwise I would breed her to a very typey Arabian and call it a day.
I see very little refinement in her head from draft to appendix.
And I agree that her head makes her neck look shorter than it is.
The motion picture is her skipping along jog.
I cannot adequately describe this filly's motion other than to say she is like a very animated gaited horse minus the multidinous gaits.
She has the whole suspended animation hold your breath for the next beat thing down.
And for such a large horse she has tremendous self-possession at the canter.
Very powerful little girl who is thrilled with the things she can make her body do.
At 2 she was the most awkward thing.
It was a 4 series movement for her to throw a baby buck in the pasture.
One top AQHA clinician from the West Coast rides like a sack of potatoes. Always has. Yet his amateurs and youth riders have won everything...particularly horsemanship. From Pomona, to the Cow Palace, to Congress to the World Show.
This trainer had a wonderful reining horse, who won everything in spite of the poor seat demonstrated by this trainer. Was an ongoing laugh to watch this but that horse and rider team always got it done.
Ah an amusing story. I thought about it and have one from my youth invovling my pony. I rode a pistol of a little Welsh Mountain all of 12 hands,maybe. All the other kids made fun of my little guy, till we beat them in play days. Anyhow, the guy who owned the stable and rode a fireball of a horse named Flash decided to get on Sundance (he was a little guy, 5'4"ish). Now I had put lots of time training my pony and he did anything, from spins to jumping he did it. Long story short he got the best of Stanly took off at a dead gallop. That man tried to stop the little freight train, but Sundance was having none of it. I still remember to this day Sundance executing a sliding stop right before a ditch and watching Stanly sail boots over head into that ditch like a well thrown dart. After he got up and dusted himself off he looked at everyone and stated, "When you can ride that little devil then you can make fun of her." Still makes me smile.
"TexasPaint" I can just visualize that...great story!!! (Would rather hear about these anyway)!!
God knows some stories are very funny and not nearly as serious....!!
Dena said...
Wenchster ohhh you shameless thing.
Babies? I loooove babies...
I have never done the breeding thing myself.
Been around it plenty, years ago.
It is awe inspriring.
Which is why, I don't get on the breeding bash wagon.
I just never felt qualified or had the patience to wait that long.
I hope you share pictures.
Yes I know! I'm a Krazy whatever Kolor Breeder! I got the chance to breed a few of my mares to some great stallions last year. I'm keeping a watchful eye as my family and I have bets on what's going to hit the ground.
I've been very fortunate though with being able to own some nicely bred horses that their offspring are able to be sold before the mare even foals. I've been a bit clingy these past couple years though and have been finding it harder and harder to let go of the babies.
My biggest count downs for foaling this year is a mare that is bred back to Trashadeous. Another one of my mares is bred back to Mister Dual Pep. I'm hoping for a filly by Trash and a colt by Mister. Cross your fingers!
My biggest count downs for foaling this year is a mare that is bred back to Trashadeous. Another one of my mares is bred back to Mister Dual Pep. I'm hoping for a filly by Trash and a colt by Mister. Cross your fingers!
Holy crud! I bet you have your fingers crossed. Must have pictures, especially of the Trashadeous baby. He's one of my favorites.
Roanhorse,
That pony had the best aim. I made the mistake as a kid of jumping on him in the back of the pasture playing out the black stallion scene on the beach, no bridle nothing. What ever I was thinking I did get wet. He galloped to the water trough, did one of his famous sliders while ducking his head down and I went straight into the water trough. I still remember my mom running to me laughing hysterically but scared I was hurt. Just my pride. Sundance I will swear was laughing....
TexasPaint:
I liked your story. I bet you got alot of satisfaction when he said that, I would have stuck my tongue out at everyone.
Ponies can be such a handful, smart little buggers.
I have a welsh cross who was bred to be a large, he overgrew the mark but he is still such a pony.
I call him a pony in a horse suit.
I thought about breeding one of my mares this season. Still haven't decided. I like my foals born in April here. So, I still have some time to decide.
I'd contacted Leonard Brooks, but I would have needed to get her there in January. I had plenty of time to do it when I called, but I procrastinated, as per usual. lol
My friend wants me to breed her to some Royal Go Go, something. Barrel horse. You know she has an agenda. I'm fine with that, at least I know the foal would be in demand, and if I didn't sell it (I tend to breed and keep) she'd run it for me once it was going fast enough. lol
Oh, I've been corrected. Not Royal Go Go something. Fire Water Flit something. lol
HP
Firewater Flit is the well you know?
I have a grandson topside of Frenchmans Guy.
Tough horse...I can tell you I ain't never seen no Flit at crap sales.
Well Cat's running in the 1D. So I guess my dreams of a reiner are pretty much crushed. lol If I'm going to breed her, a barrel stallion is probably the smartest thing to do.
I'm really not up on the current barrel sires. Guess I better research it. No hurry, ya know.
Reining horses and barrel horses have a lot in common.
How is your mare bred Horsepoor??
Top line is Regal Mount, Red Mount Yellow Mount etc..
Her dam was a great mare (I thought) Dusty Flicker, by Cats Bellboy, by Catechu
Her pedigree is on allbreedpedigree.
Her name is New Cat in Town.
Oh ponies. They are bad to the bone...one part goat and one part very naughty equine...
Because my husband will be out of town for three long months, I'm learning how to ride his very naughty 13.3 hand pony (husband is a mere 5'4", so they fit together perfectly). Last night, we tacked up the pony (Western tack is so hard!), and in the process, the pony bonked me in the nose with his bony head. My nose is swollen up like a cherry tomato today--my students had a good time laughing at it. I was so shocked that I didn't react in time to give him what for.
Then, when we were in the arena, the pony decided to roll. With me on him. He never does this crap with my husband; but my husband told me I need to learn the pony and then all will be well. He IS a cute pony. There's no denying it. But he's naughty. Very, very naughty.
Her daughter is like a clone of her. Kind of wondering what the fancy paint stallion did for me, other than take some white off. lol
HP
Many many moons ago, no kidding involved.
I fell in love with the Pacific Bailey horses.
Tough to get with. Hard Twist kind of mind.
But fast as Holy Hell...
I have a Go Go coming two year old bred of the old Mido racestock.
I really thought she was going to be the shizna. The little paint makes her look like she is running in place.
Kind of sad what you find in all the wrong places when I think about it.
Heeh, my first horse was a welsh pony. Mud puddles and streams were a challenge. I can remember my mom yelling, "Kick, kick, kick, keep him moving." (I was probably 5) He'd lie down in the water. Loved it. lol He was a great pony.
Cat hadn't seen a barrel pattern for six years. Just brought her back a few months ago. She's already back up in the 1D. They don't forget.
I don't know how much longer I'll let her run. She'll be 17 in March. She's sound, always has been (knock wood). I'd like her to retire sound. Her daughter will be six on April 15th. I'll start her on the pattern this spring.
Cat also does penning and sorting. She was 1st level dressage, and a great trail horse. She's just got heart.
horsepoor...
Here's a site for you to check out...it might make a person flinch. Place sounds like they are desperate...buuuuttttt, they have an amazing line-up of stallions. A son of Firewater Flit out of a Zantanon H mare and a son of Martha's Six Moons. Go to bedonna.com.
I want to find a Firewater Flit stallion to breed my Lady Bugs Moon/Leo mare too. That is a rocking nick. She is due with her first foal in May. She is bred to our new Oklahoma Star line-bred stallion. So the Firewater Flit cross will have to wait a couple of years.:(
I can see why you liked the dam of your mare!! Did you know Catechu sired a Supreme Champion? And the Dusty Hancocks are very well thought of using horses.
BECG,
I like Hancock horse. lol Grew up with beef. So, it was a natural fit.
I'll check out the site. Thanks.
Last night, we tacked up the pony (Western tack is so hard!), and in the process, the pony bonked me in the nose with his bony head. My nose is swollen up like a cherry tomato today--
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Ouch. Be sure to keep putting some ice on it! We have a 13.3HH pony too. Smart as a frickin' whip. He's very good now but when we first got him, watch out. When picking feet he could sense when you were almost done and about to put it down and he'd step sideways with the foot and try to step on the person picking his feet!
I come from a western background and one of my girls rides English and I say the same thing when tacking up with the stinkin' English saddles, English tack is SO hard! :)
I hope your nose feels better soon!
"Paul said...
Tell me about it..
This is a previous Cathy Quote from her blog:"
oof! She said that? WTH?
I don't care what anyone says, Paul, you rock my socks off! lol!
*laughing at trainingemmy's story*
that's what I love about ponies!
They are usually such little shits but still so much fun. I'm about your husband's height; I'm long-waisted with short legs (sounds worse than it is,lol)-when I was younger a riding instructor friend would have me ride some of the school ponies because the kids riding them were letting the 'ponehs' get away with murder. So, I would ride them to try and correct some of their naughtiness (this was at a posh barn and none of the boarders would stoop so low as to ride a school horse, much less a pony and my friend was just too tall). That was 20+ years ago and I STILL think about the stunts the ponies would pull and just get so tickled; my favorite pony was one that would not go over a jump with a child but he WOULD leap over small rails or fences to get out of the arena. Total little shit but one of my all time favorite mounts!
Ponies are tough. lol I was riding one for a little girl. He was a naughty pony would take off with her, and she couldn't stop him.
I'm riding him, he takes off with me. I can't get the little monster stopped. He didnt even give me the dignity of running away with me, he trotted away with me. I ended up sliding off the side onto my feet, and pulling him to a halt from the ground.
horspoor said...
Cat hadn't seen a barrel pattern for six years. Just brought her back a few months ago. She's already back up in the 1D. They don't forget.
I don't know how much longer I'll let her run. She'll be 17 in March. She's sound, always has been (knock wood). I'd like her to retire sound. Her daughter will be six on April 15th. I'll start her on the pattern this spring.
Cat also does penning and sorting. She was 1st level dressage, and a great trail horse. She's just got heart.
Shoot, both of my barrel horses are 22. One is starting to show his age but quite honestly I've found that more the haul I him and run him, the better he does. Last year I didn't run and he was out of shape and spent most of the summer gimpy from one thing or another. The more I work him, the better shape he's in, the less he seems to hurt. The other one is a 1D rocket. I'm still trying to figure out how to keep up with him!
As for a stallion, I'd check out Victory Farms in Ada Oklahoma, they have a pretty big lineup of barrel stallions......
horspoor said...
I'm really not up on the current barrel sires. Guess I better research it. No hurry, ya know
I know BECG gave you bedonnas site. And she was right about one thing, they do sound desperate. If you're wanting to check out barrel horse sires go to these websites as well. JB probably has the most influential barrel bloodlines that I know of today.
http://www.jbquarterhorses.com/
http://www.stonehollowfarm.com/stallions.html
http://www.flyingohorses.com/stallions.htm
That's true, horspoor! Like you don't feel dumb enough sitting on top of a pony, they rob you of the last shred of your dignity by "bolting" at a trot.
Maybe that's where the term "tolt" comes from with those Icelandic horses-a bolt done at a trot LOL
seaview
Seaview said: That's true, horspoor! Like you don't feel dumb enough sitting on top of a pony, they rob you of the last shred of your dignity by "bolting" at a trot. Maybe that's where the term "tolt" comes from with those Icelandic horses-a bolt done at a trot LOL
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OK. That's hilarious. It's good to hear from others that a mere pony can get the best of you. On the positive side, falling from 13.3 hands is a lot less scary than from something bigger!
CowgirlUp,
Good to know. I like the fact that yours are 5 years older and still going well. I was just worrying and preferred to err on the side of caution. I'd like her to have a nice senior life when she's done. If she holds sound I'll let her keep going. If she starts to slow down, I'll start thinking about pulling her. She can come home, trail ride, and pony youngsters.
Thanks for the info on barrel sires.
Wenchster,
Those are some nice looking horses at JB. I haven't made it to the other sites yet. Thank you for the information.
Freaken ponies. They'll humble you quick. lol
Can someone. Anyone. Please explain to me why?
Why is it okay for fugly to trash every rescue on the planet that asks for donations?
And then personally request donations for whatever she happens to be promoting that day?
What is up with this freak?
First her position is that rescue should be able to support itself.
And then, no. If fugly approves the rescue she will personally go abegging for it.
WTH?
And you know, I am not even that angry with fugly. Who in their right mind, you know, all her minions, who do her detective work for her, would fail to see what she is really doing?
And why was she ever allowed to have such a big voice in rescue?
What does she even know about rescue?
Or training? Or riding? Or anything really?
Was it just all the pictures and dirty words that made everyone so willing to eat her tainted candy?
No. I am done blaming the equine knowledge impaired fugly.
She is only as relevant as people/readers allow her to be.
I wonder how everyone feels. Knowing they have been following around and endorsing a homeless woman who doesn't know much about horses. Or anything else.
Sorry I can't give her credit for being a backyard breeder.
She doesn't have a backyard.
Anonymous said...
And then personally request donations for whatever she happens to be promoting that day?
What is up with this freak?
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Sweetheart, it is called posturing, damage control and attempted public relations.
In a nutshell, Fugs collects revenue by advertising the rescues on her opening page. She also collects revenue by the amount of hits she gets. (btw-by your visit today, you just put $$ in her pocket).
On the training the VLC blog, she has commented that those dollars were for showing the VLC.
Her hits are down, way down. Check out the stats on the tracker on the opening page of this blog for verification. Less $$$ coming in from hits and she publically stated she would drop her advertising rate to her advertisers if that happened. (see previous post here with direct quote).
So rather than do that, she is going to do an all out push to have her readers donate directly. I would hardly believe after the Champ donation fiasco, anyone is going to open up their wallet to her again.
So she kills them to get them to pay her for advertising?
And profits further by the hits she receives from readers fixated on trash?
That is one scary b*tch.
Couldn't she just get a real job?
Why is it okay for fugly to trash every rescue on the planet that asks for donations?
And then personally request donations for whatever she happens to be promoting that day?
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I have a problem with this. Big time. But I guess her explanation is that the rescues she promotes are legit and the others she trashes for asking for money aren't up to her standards. Whatever.
My stance is that if people need help, either because of lack of foresight or just rare bad luck, it's a good thing to help. The situation EXISTS so bitching about it or refusing to help does nothing constructive. Of course couple that help with education if it's warranted or censure if it's needed but for God sakes help out a fellow human who needs help.
Here's something that bugged me BAD. She constantly bitches about people who don't have the knowledge or foresight to make sure their horses are cared for properly (don't you KNOW you might lose your job in this economy? don't you KNOW it gets cold in the winter? don't you KNOW hay is expensive?) but then she goes on a campaign to raise money to give people who lost their hay in the PNW flooding...people who stored their hay on the ground floor of barns, people who lost hay because it got wet in the flood. Back up the bus for a minute. How long have you lived in the PNW? It frickin' floods all the time and is raining for half the year there. My daughter lives there and has never ONCE not whined about the rainy weather in the fall/winter. If you have horses wouldn't you make sure you store your hay up high where flooding wouldn't get to it?
But I guess that was different because of...I can't think of why it's different according to Cathy's way of thinking and what she preaches.
I donated to the flake sale because I happen to believe that when you need help people ought to give it if they can and feel so inclined. The flooding was a disaster and if we can help alleviate the suffering, why not? If someone loses their job or gets in trouble why berate them when they're already down? Sometimes, people need help the most when they deserve it the least.
I think there is a natural ebb and flow to blogs and I'm sure as time goes by Cathy will have a new groupie following. It's what she's counting on and waiting for, I'm sure.
Her trying to stop the bleeding and maintaining that her hits and revenue aren't down is laughable. Doesn't she know we can see the stats? She's in a rebuilding phase right now and will have to wait for new readers to become regulars. She'll never admit that 'tho. Whatever.
Secondwindacres
Before the new flow gathers momentum maybe someone should refer fugly to the IRS audit division.
And the Attorney General in her state.
Possibly even the FCC.
I agree with you about helping when people need help.
Seems to me impressionable people need help in being protected from her.
Anonymous said...
Before the new flow gathers momentum maybe someone should refer fugly to the IRS audit division.
And the Attorney General in her state.
Possibly even the FCC.
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This has been going on for YEARS. She was found to have been begging for donations for her rescue efforts with cats on several BB's for years.
Has there been any requests for an accounting of the $$$ sent in for the Flake sale? Anything accessible to see if people actually benefited from this effort or was it a sham?
She has been unemployed for several months now, right, Cathy?
I am just betting that $$$ will be handy since she is having to start selling off her horses, starting with the 2 year old. Guess the VLC is next.
Whaa???? She's UNEMPLOYED now?? What did THAT happen? How did you find out??
Kind of ironic that she does a post on crappy websites when she is advertising "$300 Websites". Guess who it is? None other than Fugs herself- using her pretzelkitty site,the page has been updated just this week.
maybe she should start with CnJ and JR's site.
BTW- is it ethical to charge others for advertising and take it free for yourself? Anyone know what type of business licenses you would need? Tax number? State taxes?
Wow...I have missed much today.
I would feature Cathy as my next "Rescue in Need of Rescue", but, I am very very biased on this issue.
I think Cathy is a delusional fruitbag with a severe case of potty mouth.
Among her many other issues.
So, let me see ,if, I understand this correctly.
Cathy is unemployed?
Cathy is homeless?
Cathy begs board for herself and her equine charges at other facilities?
Cathy will do ANYTHING for HER horses?
Cathy gets paid to promote "certain" rescues?
Cathy can't ride?
Can't train?
Won't provide documentation for $$$ donated to her at her specific request?
Cathy refuses to be held accountible for anything?
Cathy is an expert on all things equine?
Cathy owns a untrained 4yr old Kolor Stallion?
And a bunch of EX-broodmares?
Cathy claims her purchases from Yellow Horse Inc. are rescues?
If, I didn't think it might not offend Andalusions of Granduer, I would suggest Cathy retitle herself as "Delusions of Granduer".
Because from what I have seen, she certainly rules as Queen there.
After following this whole criminal escapade for many months,
I would honestly offer, that Dean Solomon does not have shit on Cathy Atkinson.
Am I supporting Dean Solomon? Hell no.
Do I think Cathy played a big part in causing those horses to suffer?
You betcha.
Competition of any type is not welcome in Cathy's sphere.
Rescue is far too important to have any aspect of it handled or managed by those with any agenda that preceeds RESCUE.
God!!! It is to benefit the animals in need without voices...
How hard is that to understand?
All this personality minus principles shit has caused many animals to suffer or do without needlessly.
If, it was even one, it was too much.
The woman needs a straightjacket along with her own cell...
Websites $300 discount to Rescues?
She can go do a really rude thing to herself. Which, I hope she does not feel compelled to video.
And/or share...
I am appalled...
And angry. Very angry...
I have listened to many people in my world say, "But, she is so Funny"!
There is not one thing funny about a woman who uses a vehicle like fhotd to systematically destroy rescue.
Wenchster?
Thank you...Thank you so much for creating a forum that exposes this guttersnipe POS for what she is.
Thank you for taking valuable time that could be spent doing much more pleasurable things to do THIS!!!
It is long overdue.
And for anyone else who may object to what I have posted?
All the supposed animal lovers who played a part in promoting Cathy's views?
Shame on you. For playing any part in funding this woman because you think she is, "Funny".
rant over.
Holy CRAP!!!
Have you guys seen her new post???
I can't even comment because I am afraid I will go off!!
It is so full of emotional and obviously inaccurate rhetoric, inconsistencies in the story and quite frankly is such a load of BS that I cannot believe anyone is falling for this supposed sob story.
I get the distinct impression she has felt the lack of hits lately and is pulling the bleeding heart card out of the bag. I suggest everyone call BS on this post...Wenchster, we need you to cover this post and point out the "Red Flags" in Cathy's post!!!
She makes me SICK to my stomach!!
Oh hell, BEC- she stole it off a message board. Check out what one of her posters said:
"Yippee for Nic!! I read his story on the message board where the new owner posted the original story."
AC4H does their level best to cover New Holland for saves.
They receive good support from FOB to be effective in saving as many as they can.
I think it is great if someone saved one more.
I just fail to see what part Cathy played?
By publicizing it? Maybe.
But why is it most always about TBs with her?
I have determined a new policy for myself.
I will let fwotd provide me with whatever information fhotd tries to peddle.
It is a rare thing for me to rely on the info of others.
But Dang! Girl nails it here.
And I do not want to be responsible for fugly receiving one penny because I pushed that button.
That is her biggest gimmick after all.
Whatever will she post Next? Suspensful drama.
Sensationalism.
The Enquirer gets $4 a mag now. Guess a lot of people are in for that kind of whatever.
No offense BEC. Not directed at you.
BEC,
What red flags do you see?
Dena said...
I just fail to see what part Cathy played?
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None, she stole the story from a message board. She just added the first and last part.
Read the comment her poster made.
Thanks Anon but I will have to take your word for it.
I won't go there anymore.
Not one more penny from me will she see.
Unless, I find her somewhere with a cup or a sign around her neck.
I was just reading some previous threads of fwotd.
The Tin Foil Hat Brigade?
OMG I soo needed that laugh. Thank you poster.
Not sucked in ever. Just providing an example how to graciously allow another a second, third, hundreth chance, to be a human being.
Please note at the end of the Champ thread I clearly stated that I did not disagree with CinnamonSwirl.
I had a hard time staying focused with her posts because quite frankly she was dead on.
I always do the devils advocacy thing.
All sides of an issue you know?
And I am glad she is still there posting beware to new people who might get sucked in.
Dena said...
Not one more penny from me will she see.
Everytime you go there is support for her.
It increases her hits and financial gain.
Keep it up and you will NEVER get the pleasure of seeing her with a cup and a sign around her neck.
Your choice
Should be interesting to hear how the new horse on the sob site plays out. Frankly, I'd be a little worried if all kinds of people were telling me the horse was a nut job. I've seen more than one horse that's great on the ground try to kill you when you get on, or be great for a while and blow up out of the blue (worst kind of horse, dangerous). The whole story sounds fishy to me. Great horse goes to killer sale for what reason? I know it can happen, but I also know of horses that wound up there for a reason. Like Champ, who sadly enough was obviously terminally lame. Kill auctions are bad bad news, not EVER saying I approve, however I do understand how some critters wind up there.
Well I'm not going there anymore - I have better thingss to do with my time....
I had one of those seems fine, then totally checks out horses. She was incredibly sweet. Very good looking, one of the prettiest horses I've ever owned.
She was self injuring. Something would flip in her brain and she'd go ballistic. Usually if you weren't handling her. It was when she was left to her own devices. I tied her to the horse trailer. Pretty much a daily thing. Walked 15 feet away, she freaked. Reared up, started thrashing like a fish on a line, and stuffed her feet throught the drop down feed door.
I hurried over to her, she struck me once. As soon as I got a hand on her side, just touching her, she quit. Went still. Stood there quietly while I got one foot untangled from the lead, and pulled the other out of the feed door. She wasn't twitchy, her respiration wasn't up. No blowing, no nothing. Freaken weird. It was like a something got switched on, then switched off. It was like nothing had happened.
There we other incidents like this with her. No explanation, same explosive insane self destruction. Probably one of the most dangerous horses I've ever been around.
She's a fat pasture ornament for a lady I know. Still beautiful.
bhm...the story talks about how the buyer picked out a horse, but the horse was mysteriously placed in the KB pen BEFORE the sale.
Now, from my experience of going to and working at sale barns...once a horse is checked in and receives his butt number, he is pretty much required to go through the sale. Sale barns really frown on pre-sale sales(and often post signs that prohibit that activity), because if the horse is not run through, it costs them $$ in commissions or no-sale fees. Occasionally I have seen people pull good saddle horses prior to the sale and then they have to pay the no-sale fee, but I've personally never witnessed a KB buying a horse that was "destined" for slaughter before a sale. Why would they? Especially in this market? Horses are going for under 25cents a pound and there is no shortage of horses being dumped.
The emotional rhetoric about how everyone tried to warn her off of the horse is also BS. None of the KB's or Horse Traders I have ever been around try to warn anyone off of buying a horse, especially if they can make $50-100 on a sale, without ever having to touch a horse. The nice ones may warn you that the horse has "issues" or is a known bucker, if they know, but most often they know nothing about the horses they buy, nor do they care. Habits, personalities, quirks mean nothing where those horses are going.
I've never had a KB treat me poorly if I wanted to buy something out of their pen. Usually they just pull out their slip to see how much they paid for the horse, add a little bit to it and sell me the horse. I always try to know what they paid for the horse before asking them. Either I write the amount down as the horse runs through(I've been known to decided later, I was willing to give more than the horse went for) or I go to the office and ask how much such and such a hip number went for. If you are nice about it and don't announce to the "world" you are on a mission to "rescue" that horse from the KB they usually will tell you who bought the horse and how much he brought. They really have no reason to hide the info. A lot of sale barns post the info in local ag newspapers.
One time I went so far as to kick the back of the KB's chair and told him I wanted the horse. He was bidding but wasn't paying attention. He stopped bidding and came up to me after the sale and apologized for running the price up.
The buyer of this horse then said that she looked him up by the tatoo on his lip and found out he had raced but was a failure. When she tracked down the owner of record, the owner said the horse had not gone to the tracks and that she had sold the horse with a buy-back clause just a few months before. I'm calling BS on the $5,000 price tag, since even a crazy person would not dump a $5,000 horse at an auction for a few hundred dollars, if they had the option of getting their money back.
The whole story just reaks of emotional rhetoric that doesn't ring true. The person who went to the sale knew she was going to a low end sale yet seems so surprised at what she finds there. I've seen a lot of horses at auctions(thousands in fact) and very seldom have I noticed that many horses terrified or even overly upset. She claims that scared horses buried their heads in hay, but we all know that "scared" horses DO NOT bury their heads in a hay bale. They may snatch a few bites, but if they are scared, they do not put themselves in a vulnerable position, they watch everything that is going on around them. Only a relaxed horse is willing to put himself in the vulnerable position of burying his head in a hay bale.
I'm not trying to make it sound like there are NEVER scared or sad horses that are at sales. I have seen some that look pretty resigned and some I would like to find the owner and wring their neck to even bother bringing such a wreck to the auction. And I am pretty sure there are some not-so-nice KBs. They do an ugly job and get a lot of blame heaped on them. But they did not breed these horses, ruin these horses or dump these horses. And then on top of it, they often get attacked by people for things that are no fault of theirs. I'm not romanticising them, but I have known quite a few over the years and for the most part they are knowledgable horsemen and a person can learn a lot from them.
BEC
You can't see me but if you could I promise you I would be standing on top of my chair clapping.
I am sick to death of hearing about $800 KB owned TBs.
I am tired of hearing how they are ALL such assholes.
KBs are trash collectors. Who want/need to get paid.
Same money up transfer on card every at sale transaction I have ever done with KBs.
One guy charges $25 on top.
1 out of I don't even know how many.
In this day and age for a TB to be worth $800 to a KB for the purpase of slaughter the TB would have to weigh about 4,000lbs.
I am tired of the emotional soak jobs myself.
Thanks BEC for telling it straight.
She claims that scared horses buried their heads in hay
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Whenever my horses are scared they never eat. They are not interested in food when they are frightened.
It would be very interesting to find this supposed butthead KB who sold this gal the horse and ask how the entire situation went down. The entire story reads like a well thought out novel. I am not doubting that this gal bought a horse at the auction, but the story seems like it could be a bit embellished. Could be. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Who knows? But, no denying there are some 'yeah, riiiight' moments in it.
I'm glad the horse was rescued, it's a good thing.
Cathy posting this particular story, taken off another internet message board, is very transparent.
I know damn well my horses don't eat when their scared. Don't know any horse that does. The whole story just reeks.
Well, I see the "rescuer" is posting, so I posed a couple of questions to her about how exactly did the KB manage to get this horse moved to his "pen" before the sale and how did the KB know so much about this horse.
We'll see what she has to say.
You know what just astounds me? People act like these dirt cheap prices just happened. I have been able to pick up NICE geldings out of loose pens for $300-500 for the last 10...TEN years. This is not a new phenomina that just happened since they closed the slaughter plants.
BEC,
Thank you for your insight.
Wow, that was amusing.
It's interesting to see how she rides.
BTW, Endo (Paul) I LOVE your videos! Keep them coming!
"No body likes me now, let's bash Dean while we're at it by featuring 8 of her horses that are now in foster homes!"
Yeah, Wenchester, you gotta plug about this bs she's pulling on today's post where she pulled it off a forum!
LOL My captcha is gumis (Like the bears! Ha!)
~DK
To the person who said Cathy is unemployed, do you know the name of the company she used to work at? It would be very simple to check out this information if you can provide the company's name. Thanks!
I guess I don't get it-I work full time and I can't afford 8 or 9 "special needs" horses like Fugs can. So, she doesn't work: is all her income really coming from that raggedy-ass blog??
I had no idea that my visiting that site would generate income so that she can sit on her ass in front of a computer all day (while I'm dragging my tired, sore old ass around at work everyday). That makes me crazy to think about-definitely won't be visiting FHOTD any time soon!
Anyone know what her previous "career" might have been?
"Anyone know what her previous "career" might have been?"
Goggle is your friend. It's all there.
Anonymous, I'm assuming you are referring to this link?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/14/744
Are you sure this is her? I tend to believe it might be, but I do not have hard proof that it is.
This is absolutely Cathy, but the last time it was updated was in 2007, so it's hard to know if she's still "job hunting" as the profile suggests:
http://www.jobster.com/at/person/show/3065112
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