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This is a philosophical blog about.....oh, screw it!!! This blog is dedicated to calling Cathy, the FHotD writer, out on her bull sh*t!

Saturday, January 31, 2009

Cathy, enough of your psycho babble!

So, despite her saying she needn't respond to her "trolls" questions and opinions- SHE DID! How's that troll B-Gone working for you Cathy? Here's what Cathy had to say on her Very Large Colt blog.

Cathy is in bold Purple-

~"I have never bred the VLC and certainly cannot be held responsible for the fencing he was turned out on prior to my ownership."

For someone who is totally against the breeding of underage unshown stallions you sure did pick the right people to purchase your horse from. Cathy preaches and preaches about BYB, yet she herself ends up purchasing her stallion from one. Guess it's only a BYB if Cathy says it is.

~"He is either going to be competitive, or not and the only opinions I care about are those of the AQHA judges since those are the opinions that determine whether or not any future foals would be marketable."

Uh, no. Those judges probably won't be breeding any of their mares to your stallion- so in all honesty, it is the public that is going to determine whether or not his future foals are marketable. What is so wrong with admitting that your stallion is not stallion worthy and should be a gelding? There are tons of geldings that have a successful show career, it doesn't make them any less of a great horse just because they don't have ability to reproduce.

~"If you think a coming 4 year old is over the hill and it's "too late" for him to have a successful show career, our opinions on working young horses are so diametrically opposed that we're destined to think the other is an idiot no matter what other discussion takes place. If you think a 4 year old is done growing, you need to read more of Deb Bennett's work."

No one ever said it's "too late" for his show career. Most jumpers don't start theirs until after 5 years of age. I just said that at 4 years of age he should have already been promoted and on his way to training. Those successful stallion jumpers were promoted at a young age. Most AQHA HUS and WP horse's are in the show ring at age of 3 and at the latest 4 years of age. Don't believe me, go check AQHA rosters and show results. And Cathy- your poor 16.2 hh AT THE HIP stallion is done getting taller. He might bulk up, but sadly if his withers haven't caught up to his hind end by now- just admit to yourself that you have a horse with a downhill build. I don't remember anyone ever saying he won't have a successful show career. But I will say that I don't think he'll have a successful stallion career.

~"I could buy Indian Artifacts or Invitation Only tomorrow and there are people who would say they were POS's because they don't like the Fugly blog. That's why I'm happy to let the judges decide - they're the only opinions that matter."

No, both of those stallions have proven themselves in the show ring along with their GET. Comparing your VLC to those stallions was a pretty pathetic choice on your part Cathy! That's like me trying to compare Carrot Top to Tom Selleck and putting them in the same playing field.


















~"And now I can link back to this blog entry the next time people bring up the same half-dozen questions that have already been answered."
Perhaps you yourself, Cathy should link yourself back to the dozen on top of dozen of posts where you bashed those BYB just so you can remind yourself where you got the VLC from. I think you feel you hold yourself to high standards, but from down here on level playing ground- you just look like another "hapless BYB wannabe".

101 comments:

bucky said...

*giggle*

Oh man that's gonna leave a mark!

Roxmysox said...

*Ka-pow*
Mwahaha

BunniesAreWatchingYou said...

I thought it was only married men that learned how to "back pedal" furiously when caught.

**Wearing a bullseye is uncomfortable...is it not Cathy? You reap what you sow.

Banner said...

Bunnies: LOL

I like how only certain questions were answered. There were no answers about the VLC's supposedly fantastic bloodlines other than ONE notable grandparent so again, no answers about that lame excuse for a dam or riding on the coattails of one good horse. No answers about the "breeders" she bought him from. No answers about his current training. And of course, no answers about his less than perfect conformation. Would have thought that if it was so great/breeding quality, we would have seen some pictures. But she seems scared to put them up. Just as she's scared to name her trainer, or even, as her blog claims today, ride a horse. (Sounds to me like it's time for someone to get a new hobby because as we all know, fear and horses do not mix. I would have thought that the almighty Fugly, of all people, would know this, but I guess this is a whole other subject!) So she STILL has not answered a lot of the same questions that keep coming up...she has just managed to still avoid them. Surprised? Nope.

trainingemmy said...

One other question I desperately want answered: how is she paying for all those horses?

She appears to be single so that means a single income, and I'm sorry, but paralegal work, while a good profession, is not eight or nine horse profession. Did she inherit money? Does she get alimony? Is there another person in the picture that she never refers to (that would be strange)? Can the blog be making that much money?

I'm always interested in the money--as a journalist, I've learned that following the dollars can yield a buttload of information, and her ability to maintain all those horses just keeps nagging at me.

That's a lot of horses to worm, feed, supplement, vet and farrier. Not to mention the extras like blankets, tack and emergencies.

Shinenstarlight said...

Carrot top to Tom Selleck...OMG!!!!
No doubt the Fugly Wench is totally clueless...I posted what I had to say on the VLC blog......heaven help her, she's clueless.

fatlip241 said...

LMAO!!!!!! Well this has got to be my favorite Blog subject to date!!! My stomach hurts from laughing so hard.....If anything she has stirred up MORE questions...

trainingemmy said...

I'm also not clear why anyone who asks questions on her blog is branded a troll. She made a big deal of coming here and saying she loooooves free speech and discussions, etc., but in today's post she says she needs to "spritz troll spray" or whatever. Come on, which is it? Either you do or you don't.

Anonymous said...

airfloooooooooooooooooooooooooow

trainingemmy said...

Ah today's "Silly Sunday Topic" on FHOTD cracks me up. "What would YOU spend extra money on if you didn't have horses," she asks. No, Cathy. What I want to know is how you afford all of yours. I could give a fig about what other people spend their money on. Notice how the focus always turns away or outward? Sigh.

AmericanMadeMorgans said...

Bunnies~ LOL LOL



& Boyyyy she sure did back pedal!!!! LOL She is toooo much!

The Wenchster said...

Trainingemmy- she did the same thing when a few dozen people asked her why VLC was still a stallion last month on FHotD. Several pointed out how over the knee and straight pastern Bullwinkle and VLC were. Several of her worshipers on the "Cathy does no wrong" boat jumped in to say that over at the knee isn't a bad fault and that jumpers are suppose to be over at the knee.

Five minutes after that she posted the topic about the two vets that killed the skinny gelding after trying to get him to pull their vehicle from a ditch.
Just more of the look over there so you don't see what's happening over here tactics.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

I find it interesting that all you people have to bash Cathy with is VLC and indirectly me and my breeding program, such as it is, since it is almost entirely shut down. Not due to lack of sales or success but due to my age. I am over 50 years old and have been doing something either professionally or semi professionally in the horse industry since I was 27. The reason I want out of the horse business is that I am sick and TIRED of horse people and the horse industry. I am tired of everyone all up in my business and everyone else's for that matter. I am tired of the thievery, lying, back stabbing, cheating, politics, gossip, you name it.
At one point Cathy and I were friends or at least as much "friends" as she is capable of being. But the way she treated me, is the way no friend should be treated. I could answer ALL of the questions you all have and give you plenty of fodder to bash her with for months.
Like where does she get her money? I know, and it is not pretty.
Why is she single? I know and it is not pretty.
Why did she start the blog? I know and it is not pretty.
The only thing that matters in Cathy's life is animals and their welfare. That and of course being an internet celebrity....
Now onto bashing the dam of VLC... The mare is a broodmare and was one before I bought her. I bought her at age 10 as a broodmare. As far as I know she was not ever broke to ride, maybe she was and maybe she wasn't but she was not represented to me as being broke to ride. She left Texas at age three and went to Washington to Bennette Woodland Farm where she was bred to their pleasure stallions. She has produced pleasure point earners and a mare that was Oregon Hi point WP horse two years in a row that sold for $45,000 and went to New Mexico where she is now NM high point WP horse. I purchased the mare at the Hermiston Auction in 2004 along with her full sister who was 13 at the time. I never attempted to break either one of them. I suffered a severe back injury in 1997 and spent two years on Workmen's comp for the injury, then went through a job retraining program, so my riding is very limited. In my experience of owning them since 2004 these mares are not difficult to live with and neither are their foals. They are not mean or aggressive, or unsound. They are friendly and both mares are beautiful movers, they are soft and very flat kneed. VLC is a gorgeous mover, a natural WP horse that is as kind as you could ask for. Where we used to live he was pastured near a main road and someone would stop by at least once a week to inquire about him. Is he stallion quality? He does have a certain charisma. To truly be stallion quality he will need to prove himself in the show pen. He either will or he wont. Only time will tell if Cathy will have the ability to get him there. He was born to a program started to breed quality colored horses that are all arounders. You can call it a BYB or a yellow horse puppy mill or whatever you want, but a BYB never has the quality of stock that is standing out in my pasture. Sorry, just because I breed for yellow foals does not mean that is the ONLY requirement for my program.
KLR Reflection was not able to compete after his yearling year due to a leg injury when he got his hind leg caught in a wooden floored stall while living with his original owners in Canada. He was shown AQHA and has several Grands and reserves at halter as a yearling but he received no points at the time. He is a beautiful and kind natured animal with a decent pedigree, correct conformation, with a good sire and a bottom side chock full of AQHA champions and AQHA champion producers. Is he the best stallion in the universe? Nope. But for a yellow stud he is not bad and the people who have his get love them. Yeah I know every BYB says that! LOL! He has been mostly retired from the breeding shed for 4 years now. He will likely be put to sleep this year due to his old injury. If I truly were a Back Yard Krazy Kolor breeder I would be standing his cremello son to the public. He is not standing to the public at this time, and may never be. He is off to rope horse training this year. If he proves himself worthy he will be stallion quality. Just like Sierras Super Star is.
So there is the truth from the horse's mouth so to speak. Bash me all you want. I am no fan of Fugly but bashing me through her needed to be addressed.

Oh an another thing I posted on the blog entry with the photo of the 23 yr old buckskin mare that was claimed to be VLC and got compared to a grade autction horse. That is not VLC. That is a retired mare that I GAVE Cathy as a pet. She is 23 and has points in 9 different events ABRA. Please try to keep your facts straight.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Oh and one more thing, VLC, the COB that you all have pictured here and her mare Belle and her mare Kit that she had PTS this fall were NEVER rescues. They were purchased from me at the price they were advertised for. None of them were sick, thin, or in need of anything.

Anonymous said...

Well I came over to read your blog as I too think Kathy does go overboard and is self absorbed. I thought you may have something important to say. Guess I thought wrong . You are just angry . Were you or a friend featured on her blog? If I had to pick one of you that was doing some good in the horse world, was at least doing something to educate and improve I would not pick someone with a personel vendette. Sorry you loose. Let me know when you have something important to say.

seaview said...

Okey-dokey, anonymous,and you let us know when you are able to spell vendetta and when you're able to differentiate between "loose" and "lose"...

*here's a hint-if you call someone a "looser", it kind of diminshes it's effect:-)*

Anonymous said...

I love so much how every single "troll" over on VLC have brought up excellent points, all of which are IGNORED by the army of morons.
They just latch hold of one thing and repeat it over and over.
What an awesome mentality.
Do they really think that defending her is going to make her want to be friends with them? They must live their lives in hopes of being quoted by Cathy.
What an idiot convention.

Hmm... lots of great info from VLC's breeder.

Wonder what it will take for the lot of them to open their eyes?

jsad said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse, I am sorry your feelings were hurt, but weren't you the one that bred VLC? If the dame has hock issues then WHY? You and I both know that is a definite NO in any responsible breeding program. If that is the case it is also a no to sell her as a brood mare.

Now despite the fact that you think Cathy has done good work, I have seen her bash too many good people and turn around and do the same stuff she accuses others of doing.

OK so you and Cathy are friends. Well and good. That doesn't change the type of person she is. Nor should it affect your ability to see what kind of person she is.

jsad said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse

One more thing. I am not Cathy so show points and pedigree have never impressed me in the least. I look at conformation and attitude. The attitude of VLC I can not guess but if he is rank he needs to be gelded ASAP with no excuses. His conformation leaves too much to be desired. He is not top breeding material which is what Cathy always preaches is the only horses that should ever be bred.

Roxmysox said...

Funny how I am now finding myself visiting FHoTD much more often than I have done since it all turned to crap.
The comments have me in stitches with the hissy fits and (oh so ) imaginative name calling.
BTW:To my knowledge "Battle Axe" is not an insult but rather an indication of admiration - maybe I read that wrong but in that case I've been wrong for many years.
Time for a new tinfoil hat methinks.......

Roxmysox said...

Pah - -I meant GRUDGING admiration.

You see - new tinfoil hat = better reception

Horse 101 said...

Dontyouridenofulgyhorse,
Thanks for posting the background info on Cecil.

I can imagine that Cathy is fairly anti-social and lacks people skills. She definitely takes things to a personal level when it comes to animals (i.e. personal mission to destroy Dean).

Please share what you know. The bad thing about Cathy is, if the VLC doesn't show well, she'll probably figure out a way to fault you and/or your breeding program.

As far as showing him this late goes... Cathy has a rude awakening. There is a reason that stallion prospects are shown early. It's to get name/appearance recognition. Sometimes judges don't like placing older "unknowns".

trainingemmy said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse: I don't think the idea is to bash you or your breeding program, per se. At least, that's not the way I see it. (I can't speak for Wenchster, but having read what she has to say about Cathy bashing reasonable breeders and other reasonable horse people, I'm going to guess that's not the goal. I could be wrong though.)

For me, at least, my interest in this blog is as a place where an alternative opinion about FHOTD can be expressed. I have deep concerns about her ability to report fairly, her goals when she "outs" various people, and the kind of role model she provides for people interested in horses, particularly younger people who may come to believe that circular logic, half-truths, name-calling, threats, and no-holds-barred meanness are acceptable ways to handle conflict.

I imagine Cathy started out with a really strong sense of purpose when she founded FHOTD. The early blogs were entertaining, informative and cheeky. But as time went on and her popularity grew, the tone grew increasingly ugly, focused on "outing" people and became hostile toward dissenting opinions. It may just be the Internet, but there are real people with real feelings on the other end of the threatening and demeaning language Cathy uses.

Moreover, she insults journalists everywhere when she invokes her "free speech" talk. Freedom of speech as an idea and in practice is meant to serve a watchdog function. Opinion speech IS protected, but within limits. More than once I believe she has crossed the line in her intent, purpose and delivery. I am troubled by this.

Of course, a few weeks ago, she freely admitted she modeled her blog on Perez Hilton, and when she did, I lost all respect. I had always imagined Cathy as a citizen journalist-wannabe who needed some training in reporting but who had her heart in a great place; but her admiration of Hilton says it all. I was not impressed, and I remain not impressed. If that makes me a troll or a hater, then so be it.

JNH214 said...

traininggemmy,
You said a mouthful!
That is exactly the point I have been trying to make over at VLC... Obviously, I am not as good with words as you are but that is exactly why I am here.
Although I think I could have said that very thing and still gotten responses of:
"OMG U R SEWWW DUMB U THINK CATHY BEATS HER HORSES AND STARVES THEM LOLOL U ARE A TROLL LEARN ENGLISH"
Ugh.
I especially like that they resort to creating an account with the same username as a so called troll.
And WE'RE the immature ones? Hah. They really need a reality check.

trainingemmy said...

JNH214: I hear you. That's why I don't even bother posting on the comments any more. I was reading the latest VLC thread today, and some of the responses are so confusing that I'm not even sure what the poster was trying to say.

I also thought the hateful ad hominem comments about Wenchster re: her personal appearance were so far beyond the pale that it was hard to believe someone actually sat at his or her computer and typed the words.

THAT'S the kind of environment that Cathy's blog perpetuates. If she thinks it's OK to go after people again and again, of course her readers will too, especially the younger ones who admire her.

And thank you for your kind words. I'm a journalist by trade and a writing teacher too, so words come easy. I get to teach kids how to construct sound arguments. How fun! (Lately I've been hoping it makes them better online debaters. Ha ha.)

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

jsad, VLC is not rank AT ALL and never has been. His mother is not lame nor is she rank either. She is simply a typical broodmare, who would rather not be bothered by people. Her personality is similar to a ranch gelding. I have no idea who started the rumor that she is rank and lame, but it is nothing more than that, a complete rumor. Please read my entire post, Cathy is no longer a friend of mine and hasn't been for quite some time. No one can be treated the way she treated me and remain a friend.
You all have no idea how much it galls me when people treat her like some kind of rock star. When she says she is not only going to hell but she is working on making sure she has a management position there it is the truth. I am the one who probably knows he better than anyone. I detest her.

Anonymous said...

CS:
You're trying to tell someone THEY aren't good with words?!
WHAT are you even trying to accomplish? You certainly aren't making the Fugly members as a whole look any better.
Know what? I don't think it's JNH who has the problem expressing a thought. I have understood everything they said perfectly.
I think it's you people who have problems comprehending simple ideas.
To the VLC's breeder:
I don't think this is about attacking your breeding program. I don't think anyone thinks he is a piss-poor quality animal.
This is about Cathy. This is about her preaching that a stallion has to be A++++++++++ quality and more to be CONSIDERED a stud prospect. It all comes down to hipocrisy!

Cinnamon Swirl said...

Anonymous, who says I'm part of this Fugly mania? I think all these specialized bashing blogs are simply amusement. I surely don't go to them to try to learn anything, there is nothing of substance in any of them. Never have except how to be sarcastic about everything and laugh to myself in pity. *Giggling* at bashing and this "mwahaha" thing? What is that all about? Is that like "lol" and "lmao"? Just like throwing these cliche's around in every other comment. Like you are saying something special and deep thinkers. You surely aren't original if that's what you are going for.

What exactly is it that YOU are trying to accomplish? Friends? Allies? Any points you make are repetition of other posters comments. And who are "my people?" As far as I'm aware, I don't know anyone on these blogs. Never met them in my life so I don't know if I would really be grouped with them. Thanks.

roanhorse said...
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roanhorse said...

"Don't you ride" interesting take on the soundness of the VLC's dam; first we hear she has a plethora of hock problems and now she does not...and we hear she's a land shark and now she's not....which is it?? And where do these stories begin?? And with whom?

I find it interesting that your take on the horse game is one of "lying, thieving, cheating, politics (nothing new), gossiping people, etc. My question to you is, why would you continue on associating yourself with these folks or continue to stay in the horse game if this was all you ever encountered? I read "sour grapes" as the over 60years that I've been in the horse game and involved with the AQHA I've found that the majority of people are hardworking, kind, professional people. And, I've dealt with a fair share of breeders, trainers, judges and Directors from the AQHA.

Where is the logic if a trainer is rotten to his clients and expects them to remain with him...won't happen. His reputation will precede him and he/she won't be in business for long.

You state only "charisma" as a stallion description and it'll take far more than that to make it as a successful stud prospect. The VLC may have a kind disposition but he lacks the "look" that is so currently popular in the pen. In this age of "specilization" it takes more than halter bloodlines crossed on working bloodlines to make it as a jumper or rail horse in the AQHA.

Current, popular bloodlines are those that are currently placing, the "Investments" "Zippos", "Red Hot Krymsums", etc. The Zippos have their own way of moving as do the Dynamic Deluxes..the DD's.

We'll see what happens to this stud and you're correct, if he doesn't place well, I have my doubts, Cathy will blame you and everyone else for her stupidity.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Roanhorse said "Interesting...two different versions on the disposition of the VLC dam. One that she was/is a land shark and now the mare isn't "mean"...which is it????? Or that she has hock problems and now she doesn't?????"

I have no clue who tried to say Sindy Sabre is a land shark. I can only go off my personal experience of owning the horse since 2004 and say she is not difficult to live with at all. She is not more difficult than any other horse. She is good for the farrier, good to de-worm, she loads, leads, ties, has never ever been aggressive to a human one time since I have owned her. She is respectful when handled and often comes up to be scratched and petted. She is easy to breed and good for the vet.
She has not been lame since I owned her either, not so much as an abscessed hoof.

Anonymous said...

Where was it stated, other then on this blog, that the VLC's dam had hock issues and that both she and the VLC was rank? I've only seen that information here...sources?

I'm not getting into Bullwinkle because not everyone is meant to have young horses and maybe his owner got in over her head (I've done it before, I won't put it past other people!)

JNH214 said...

I think it's clear that this time.. this blog, the members here, the points being made, the questions being asked... are a lot more than the simple "troll" answer. It's definately gotten deeper than that now.
I've said my piece, and it's been understood by anyone with half a brain. From here on out I'll just be reading!
Great blog, FWOTD! The way things are going, I think it's gonna be pretty popular! :)

bucky said...

to Dontyouridenofuglyhorse:
Cathy bashes other people for the choice in horses they have. Calling them names, putting them down, threatening and posting their private information.
She has a stallion that we view (and many of us are from the legitimate breeding AQHA community) as inferior quality. We feel he is one that should not be left to breed.
She is practicing what she preaches against. Hypocrite.

By her 'test breeding' the stallion means she is no better than a BYB. There were no plans for that colt, no thought to it, and VLC has not even proven to be a worthy mount, let alone his average at best conformation.
This is the same type of mentality that she feverishly tries to murder by blog!
She screams day in and day out about over breeding and too many babies and this and that yet she does a 'trial breeding' to see if he can do it?
She is saying that only SHE can do these things and no one else is allowed to or she will BASH THEM! and expose them to the world.

IMO
As far as I am aware, there was no pointing fingers at you (if this in fact the breeder and not Cathy) and putting you in the thick of it. A couple reasons your business was put in it was the fact that the rumor of Sindy's hocks and her neurological behavior. I have no proof of these things so I cannot say a thing except that no one should breed a horse with either of these problems. If she doesn't have those problems, that's all well and good. But if she does and Cathy knows this....WHY would she breed VLC when he could pass on the same issues? Isn't he already having some hock issues? I think she said so.

The other thing is that Cathy is always preaching against people breeding for color. Hmmm...isn't that where VLC came from? A breeder that breeds for only color? Kinda hypocritical of her right?
(see what I am getting at...VLC just comes into play with the areas that we are talking about...her hypocrisy)

Being in the horse breeding business you always have someone up in your business. That's the way it is. I've never seen or heard of the backstabbing or other things you are talking of. Not to say it doesn't happen but I have only met and dealt with the nicest of people. Especially Mr. Gist of the Wagon Wheel Ranch Quarterhorses. He is going out of his way to help me and we have never even met. He put in in contact with another breeder for them to try and help me also. They will get no pay for what they are doing...just out of the goodness of their heart. From one horse person to another.

If you are getting the lying, cheating, stealing, gossip etc...then you are surrounding yourself with the Cathy types and not REAL horse people. You should dump all of them and find some new friends.
Rule of thumb...NEVER do business with someone you talk to as a friend. Friend is friend. Business is Business. Contract is signed and that's that. You don't go on being 'close friends' with someone you just did business with. NEVER.
Gossip: competition talk

As for Cathy's personal life...I don't give a rat's ass. Unlike how she loves to know everyone elses personal info.
But if she is taking in donations and paying her rent and feeding her own animals with it, that to me is nothing more than theft.
No better than those people Dean and what'shername. right? (Whom I have no clue who they are or what they do)

I don't know a thing about Sindy except the rumors. I cannot believe what I haven't seen with my own eyes. You need to have faith that there are more people like me that are like that.

You may be biased since VLC came from your breeding stock...but he really does not have any stallion appeal. He looks like any run of the mill AQHA gelding that I see out on the trails. Nothing that makes me go "OH WOW!!!"
And to me, that is what you want in a stallion.
Maybe he needs some major work, bulk up and muscle up. But for now, he's just so so. Nothing I'd breed my mares to.
I see no charisma in the pics I've seen.
To be stallion quality, he needs to have the conformation first. To LOOK like a stallion and not a squirrely under-developed stud.
THEN..he needs to go to show and get his name.
If he aint got the bod, he aint got the spooge.
So if I am seeing this, how many others see this? Many! So this should be a hint to Cathy, he is NOT quality, or at least isn't portraying it and she needs to work on it.
If someone else showed a pic of a stallion that had the same confo as him, she would blast them as a BYB. Sure as rain.
She is on a internet God complex here.


Again, the breeding for color is something that Cathy preaches against and if she is shown a palomino, she says things like they only seen color, the POS horse should be PTS, ugly, etc...etc..etc. It can have the same confo as VLC, but she won't stand for it. It doesn't belong to her or to her 'friends' so it's a POS and the owners are Asshats.

So again, you see why you and VLC come into play alot. It's mostly to make a point. Not to bash you.

KLR is a very pretty boy. I can see why he was bred and it's too bad he couldn't continue on with his career. Hopefully you don't have to PTS this boy.
BUT..if he's in pain Cathy will keep him and tell someone with a perfectly sound horse to put their horse to sleep.
Yeah..she likes doing that. Tells a person searching for a home for her sound, 100% bombproof horse to give it up, they shouldn't have gotten the horse if they couldn't afford it, etc..etc..and to just put it to sleep. This girl lost her job and was desperate to find a home for her baby.
Then turns around and rescues a lame horse that can't be ridden.

*curious as to who directed you to this blog*
From what I gathered..that pic of the buckskin was a pic she posted herself. I must be wrong but I swear I seen it and it was labeled as VLC.

As for those other horses she bought from you...I must have missed something somewhere since you are insinuating that someone said they were rescues and skinny.
I'll have to go check that out.

So I hope you can see that it wasn't about you (at least not in my eyes)
It's how someone is hypocritical, ugly, mean and very bitter.

Just my 1/2 a penny's worth. If I am wrong somewhere, I am always open to other options if I see an error in my ways.
I'm an adult and willing to weigh the pros and cons.

OH..and CS...obviously a person that is still using crayons. :)

Horse 101 said...

bucky,
just to clarify. Cathy didn't test breed the VLC. She claims the breeder (dontyouridenofuglies)had a fence "issue" and the VLC got to another mare. (see, she's already blaming the breeder).

Let's not blast DYRNF. She might be a wealth of interesting info on Cathy. I for one am very curious as to how she can financially support her endeavors. Not to mention, what kind of personal story is behind the singular hatred of Dean Solomon?

DYRNF,
I'm sorry your experiences in the AQHA world have been negative. You do have to be careful who you surround yourself with. We've had a couple of nutball clients but the good ones make it worth it.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Actually no one test bred VLC, his having any foals on the ground is an accident. I had three two yr old stud colts in a pipe panel corral, one my cremello that I still have, one a sorrel colt that did not have both testicles descended, and VLC. I had my herd of mares behind my house, behind hot tape and hot rope. Being new to the area, I did not know that the rocky ground we had made hot wire lose its ground when the weather was warm and dry. The mares completely tore their fence down while I was grocery shopping and I came back to all of the horses running together, as the panel pen the colts were in was smashed flat. I gave abortion shots to the mares that I knew were in heat at the time, but Bullwinkle's dam had been previously bred to one of my other stallions Sierras Super Star and I assumed she was in foal to him. The next year at foaling season she foaled normally albeit a bit late, but instead of having a sorrel or a palomino, she had a buckskin colt, ie: Bullwinkle. It was obvious that during the melee of the horses flattening the round pen, she had been bred to VLC. He was the only black based intact horse on the place. Also the colt is VLC's twin. DNA of the colt and VLC has confirmed that he is indeed sired by VLC. It is my mistake that Bullwinkle got brought into this world.

Wazzoo said...

I thought it was stifle issues that the VLC had, not hock issues??? And yea, I read that cathy said it was at the breeder's that Bullwinkle, the Oops, happened.

Wazzoo said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...
Actually no one test bred VLC, his having any foals on the ground is an accident. I had three two yr old stud colts in a pipe panel corral, one my cremello that I still have, one a sorrel colt that did not have both testicles descended, and VLC. I had my herd of mares behind my house, behind hot tape and hot rope. Being new to the area, I did not know that the rocky ground we had made hot wire lose its ground when the weather was warm and dry. The mares completely tore their fence down while I was grocery shopping and I came back to all of the horses running together, as the panel pen the colts were in was smashed flat. I gave abortion shots to the mares that I knew were in heat at the time, but Bullwinkle's dam had been previously bred to one of my other stallions Sierras Super Star and I assumed she was in foal to him. The next year at foaling season she foaled normally albeit a bit late, but instead of having a sorrel or a palomino, she had a buckskin colt, ie: Bullwinkle. It was obvious that during the melee of the horses flattening the round pen, she had been bred to VLC. He was the only black based intact horse on the place. Also the colt is VLC's twin. DNA of the colt and VLC has confirmed that he is indeed sired by VLC. It is my mistake that Bullwinkle got brought into this world.


Was any kind of DNA done to prove who the sire was? Since you had this happen and you already thought the mare was bred to your other stud? Just curious.

Anonymous said...

Wazzoo she said right at the bottom of what you quoted... Bullwinkle has been DNA'd.

And yes, it was a stifle issue with the VLC which for some reason took weeks and weeks to diagnose. Something about she only trusted one vet??
Probably more along the lines of she's burned bridges with most of them and can only get one out.
She's a nut job. Comparing herself to Paris Hilton, now? HA! Don't flatter yourself sweetheart... you'll NEVER be that big a deal. At least Paris Hilton is nice to look at.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Yes if you read my whole post at the end it states that DNA has confirmed that Bullwinkle is indeed by VLC. Also, genetically he could only be by VLC as VLC was the only black based stallion on the property. Sierras Super Star is a chocolate palomino and cannot throw a buckskin unless he is bred to a bay. The mare in question is sorrel.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Sorry Anonymous, she wants to be the Perez Hilton of the horse world. This website is what FHOTD is modeled after. http://www.perezhilton.com/

Anonymous said...

I am here in support of DYRNFH's horses.

I do not know Cathy, so I will refrain from any commenting on her or her practices.

I will say that I have been nothing but impressed with DYRNFH's production and breeding stock. I think they are all excellent all-around types of horses that are pretty enough to show but not so specialized that they couldn't do a hard days work. That's a scarcity in this day and age, and I commend and thank Shelly for continueing to breed the types of horses that can do multiple jobs and look good doing them.

I think many of us, myself included, sometimes get caught up with specialization of stock horses, and that can be a slippery slope.

You want a horse that's proven to perform and produce performers... but what if, to do that, the horse sacrificed vital conformational attributes and has now limited it's use to just a small demographic of competition? There's got to be a happy medium, and I think Shelly's horses fit in that medium nicely.

I have no dog in this fight, so I'll bow out now. I just wanted to say that I didn't think what was said about Sindy Sabre, Cecil, or any of Shelly's current or previously owned horses was correct. :)

Anonymous said...

I haven't read the other comments but hasn't Cathy disagreed w/many AQHA judges decisions? And now she says their opinions are the only ones who matter?

Anonymous said...

Oh I know who Perez Hilton is... and I saw that she was trying to be him, too. Another joke!
The difference is Perez is typically clever. He is really a sweet person from interviews I have seen, and he is hysterical for the most part. Even his insults are more creative than hers. He has more than 3 terms to call people.
Cathy is NONE of those things!
She has no wit. She has no sense of humour. She is a very cold, sad woman deep down inside. She is the human version of an unsalted soda cracker.
I used to enjoy her blog. Now it is nothing but a PNW advertising space for a sad old spinster to run off at the mouth.
She also said this afternoon on the VLC comments that she feels like Paris Hilton. At least Paris Hilton can get a man ;)
Don't like her, can't stand her, and I think more and more people are going to start seeing her for what she really is. A con artist who doesn't know a horse or horse business from a hole in the ground! She DOESN'T know how to ride. She DOESN'T know how to critique a horse properly, and she DOESN'T understand the horse market.
Soon she and her sheep will be nothing more than Dean and her sheep, Sam and her Sheep, and any others out there... just a bunch of morons taking turns jamming their heads up eachothers asses.
This blog has spotted it as it has begun, and I am confident the number of followers of this blog is going to go up.

roanhorse said...

Omg....Cathy=Perez Hilton? In a pig's eye!!!! NOT!!! The next thing we'll see is a wanna be Paris Hilton(Cathy) doing the pony stomp down the runway. She does love celebrity...eeewwwwwwww. Save us all!

Horse 101 said...

DYRNF,
I actually like KLR Refelection. And I give you kudos for trying to breed all-around type horses. We are striving to do the same. We may not place well in one particular event, but our horses are well conformed and well rounded.

This is more about outing Cathy's hypocrisy and not a bash on your breeding program. Your site just offered some good tidbits to further show her do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do mentality. Oops breedings can happen even on the most well managed breeding farms. I managed a an Irish Draft farm where one stallion (trained for GP jumping) cleared 4 fences (5' to 6')to get to a pasture of yearlings. Since it was a major task to get him to jump, we didn't anticipate him doing it to get out of his pasture (and just for the record, we tried very hard to get them to put in an electric wire). Lots of lutalysing the next week just to be sure.

Anonymous said...

I for one really like DYRNF's horses. I have ever since I first visited her site.
They are nice horses. They are given jobs. They do not have hundreds and hundreds of horses standing around doing nothing.
Are they coloured? Yes!
Let's not forget that a PURTY KULERD horse isn't always going to be a SHITTY horse.
I don't think that DYRNF has ever claimed to breed world class AQHA show top 5's blah blah blah. Cathy's delusions are what painted a bad picture of this woman and her breeding program.
Clearly she is an intelligent person. She has been nothing but mature even with the foul remarks about her breeding stock.
Would any of the fugly sheep have responded the way she has? HELL NO!
Kudos to you, DYRNF. Keep doing what you're doing. There's a huge market for a nicely put together, nicely bred horse with a good mind of any colour!

Wazzoo said...

"Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Yes if you read my whole post at the end it states that DNA has confirmed that Bullwinkle is indeed by VLC. Also, genetically he could only be by VLC as VLC was the only black based stallion on the property. Sierras Super Star is a chocolate palomino and cannot throw a buckskin unless he is bred to a bay. The mare in question is sorrel.
February 2, 2009 1:47 PM "


Sorry about that...I didn't catch that part. Thanks for pointing it out. =)


" Anonymous said...

I am here in support of DYRNFH's horses.

I do not know Cathy, so I will refrain from any commenting on her or her practices.

I will say that I have been nothing but impressed with DYRNFH's production and breeding stock. I think they are all excellent all-around types of horses that are pretty enough to show but not so specialized that they couldn't do a hard days work. That's a scarcity in this day and age, and I commend and thank Shelly for continueing to breed the types of horses that can do multiple jobs and look good doing them.

I think many of us, myself included, sometimes get caught up with specialization of stock horses, and that can be a slippery slope.

You want a horse that's proven to perform and produce performers... but what if, to do that, the horse sacrificed vital conformational attributes and has now limited it's use to just a small demographic of competition? There's got to be a happy medium, and I think Shelly's horses fit in that medium nicely.

I have no dog in this fight, so I'll bow out now. I just wanted to say that I didn't think what was said about Sindy Sabre, Cecil, or any of Shelly's current or previously owned horses was correct. :)

February 2, 2009 1:58 PM"


Pick a name and join us in conversation. =) I like the way both you and DYRNFH talk. Nice and easy. No yelling...and not defensive. It makes it a lot easier to believe you than someone like FHOTD who can't even answer a simple question without doing the jitterbug around it.

LuvMyQH said...

Anonymous said...
I haven't read the other comments but hasn't Cathy disagreed w/many AQHA judges decisions? And now she says their opinions are the only ones who matter?

Wait... now that you mention it... hasn't she gone on several tangents about what "asshats" AQHA judges are?? How they need to change rules and all that jazz?
I'm sure I have read negative comments on the AQHA shows/judges more than once by her.

roanhorse said...

"Lov my QH" it would be a jolt if any of the AQHA judges partook of Cathy's blog and saw her reference to them as asshats, etc., I wonder how far she thinks it will get her in the pen? She may not like them and disagree with their opinions but she'll find she has to play by the rules...or, don't show.

Oooopsie.

Politics still play a part in the pen, and in the show office, "please" and "thank you" will take you a long way. It behooves those who show to make nice to show officials. After having worked as a steward for many AQHA shows I've yet to see anyone come out ahead with an attitude. Show managers and staff, steward and judges don't forget the nasty folk.

No doubt Ms. Cathy will have to brush up on her social skills; hard to do it when you're in the negative lane for so long.

trainingemmy said...

Not to harp on the money again (I know, I know, broken record, right?), but something Cathy said on her VLC blog today bugged me a lot. She talked about how she's making money off what she describes as trolls (i.e. questioners) and how that will pay for her show season.

Someone else said she now considers herself a media outlet, so my suggestion is that with that consideration comes some responsibility, such as fair and accurate reporting that doesn't descend into libel. But I'm harping again, right? :-)

Anyway, it also personally bugs me to be supporting her financially, so I think I'm done with her blog for good. I imagine if a lot of other people who question or don't like her were too, that might mess up some of her plans as I imagine she's making some good money off the blog.

Just a thought to ponder...and maybe the point that DYRNF was trying to make earlier when she said the blog is a reflection of the woman who writes it, the one for whom "the only thing that matters...is animals and their welfare...that and of course being an internet celebrity." (DYRNF, I hope I didn't take your words out of context too much.)

Anonymous said...

I, too, read that on VLC blog today and will NEVER visit either site again. I think that was a pretty bold statement for her to make, especially after very recently stating she makes no money off the blog, works two jobs, has no rolls royce, blah blah same old blah.
Truth comes out, hm? Wonder what else she is blatantly lying about.
Perhaps that's why she posted the blog about "if you had money to spend on something else" or whatever it is. If she's putting her savings towards her show fees etc, I'll bet she's going to have a lot of extra left over after the VLC flops in the show ring. She'll have to find somewhere else to spend it!

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

You are so correct trainingemmy. You guys do realize she created FHOTD to make herself an internet celebrity so she would not have to work 8-5 any more? Her goal was to create controversy so a lot of people would read the blog, and it would get a lot of hits. That would translate to money for advertisements. It is happening for her now. I have seen her dance around the room when her blog gets mentioned in the media. It is a HUUUGE ego boost for her. I have seen her throw her arms up in Rocky Balboa style and chant I'm a celebrity, I'm a celebrity. I ROCK! And then say "I have done more for the horse industry by creating the blog than I could rescuing old mares." Meaning getting people to thing twice about breeding horses.
Well other than being a celebrity, she feels if shaming people into spaying and neutering dogs and cats has worked to help control the pet population, shaming people who breed grade fugly low end horses may help control their population.

Pipkin said...

Personally, in this economy, I also think horses who aren't all that and a bag of chips shouldn't be bred. Obvs if you are researching and you know what will sell, and there's a market for your future horses, you should breed.
But otherwise, it's ok to let people know that casual breeding isn't going to make them any money.

I get that this blog is about the way that FHOTD does that, through ridicule, shame, embarrassment, dishonor and humiliation; and it's calling out perceived (I have no proof, and I don't really follow the blogs closely)hypocrisy.

I also see you all upset about not having a blog where actual IDEAS, thoughts, questions and concerns about training horses can be traded and shared in a cooperative, constructive (including critical) environment.

And I think there are blogs like this, and I'd certainly visit one. I might start one, but I have very little training skills, I'm still learning, so I am not sure I'm the right person to get it started.

However, I do think that while you have legitimate complaints about FHOTD, it's a blog, which means it's a personal rant page. Not unlike talk radio being a personal rant wave for people like Rush Limbaugh, Amy Goodman and others.
There isn't any responsibility in reporting when you're simply entertainment that hopes to educate. Think of comedians, they entertain, and sometimes they show us something we didn't see before, but if you think they suck, then go to a different show.

You're of course, perfectly right to make this blog. I know that my opinion that you are feeding whatever it is you like least will fall on deaf ears. But I'm ok with that. You need to vent and feel like you have a bunch of rabid minions to back you up, too. And you do, and I'm proud of you for getting that.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand this making money off a blog scheme. Will someone please explain how she's doing this?
I, too, have been a lurker on the FHOTD blog. I can't tell you how many times I've seen contradictions, arrogance, and a nauseating complacency, not to mention the extreme nastiness on that site.
The anger is downright malignant.

Anonymous said...

She only gets revenue from the ads, which I *believe* need to be clicked in order for her to get any money from them... which is why they are so obnoxiously placed and giant sized.
That is my understanding, anyway.

trainingemmy said...

FHOTD is making money from her ads. She has Google ad words, as well as sponsorships and other banner ads. The money an advertiser pays her is based on the number of page views her site generates, so on those days when she gets 500 comments on her blog--that's 500 page views plus all of the people who come to her site to look but not post.

To give you an idea of how lucrative running and writing a popular blog can be, take a peek at Go Fug Yourself. This popular blog offers commentary on celebrity fashion choices, and its co-founders do not have 9-5 jobs anymore. They blog for a living. Well, blog and write other articles for various magazines including (for a while) Entertainment Weekly or People (I can't remember which now). They can be seen at all the big fashion shows during spring and fall fashion weeks, etc. They have a book that got a sweet advance.

Another big blog is Brazen Careerist. She blogs and writes for a living, and she has a book out by the same title. It's a good gig if you can get enough people to read you, and clearly, that's what Cathy has done.

The big difference, to answer Pipkin's comment, is that Go Fug Yourself and Perez Hilton (gag!) target celebrities, and under media law, celebrities are public figures. They deliberately put themselves in the public eye, and they are not guaranteed the right to absolute privacy because they are public figures, meaning they have acquired fame or notoriety (athlete or performer) or have participated in a public controversy (protestor or social activist).

Cathy often cites her right to express her opinion, and it's true that journalists are protected by what is known as "opinion privilege." This protects written opinions (particularly insulting ones) from libel suits. But there are limits on opinion privilege. You can’t say someone is a murderer without having facts to back it up (otherwise that’s libel), but you can say someone is stupid because that’s your opinion.

Often Cathy treads a very fine line. She says all kinds of things about people, and she often provides little or no facts to back up her opinion, and sometimes she's very, very wrong. (I can think of at least two cases in which she was out and out wrong about what she wrote on her blog.) That is libel, and the victims of libel can sue for damages to their reputation. Moreover, if any of the people she has written about could prove "actual malice" (this is a legal term that means someone writes about someone else, knowing what they have written is lying or disregarding the truth), it's often an open-and-shut court case. It's much harder to win a libel case against a newspaper or magazine, but much easier to do so against a blogger or online writer because the courts haven't fully sorted out where blogs and bloggers fit into the media landscape.

Cathy treads a couple other fine lines as well: fair use and invasion of privacy. Fair use falls under copyright laws, and infringements are punishable by monetary fines; but invasion of privacy is usually the purview of private lawsuits. Essentially, her use of other peoples' images could be seen as an infringement of copyright law, although it's a grey area, and she knows it. Someday she just might tread on the wrong toes and get slapped with a lawsuit, but most of the people she targets don't have the wherewithal to do anything about her use of their images.

In my opinion, her main breaches in the area of invasion of privacy occur in "intrusion." Although public figures do not have the right to expect privacy, Joe and Jane Blow horse breeders probably do have the right to expect more privacy than a celebrity or a governmental figure. That means presenting information that misrepresents that person in any way or that opens that person up to unfair or intense public scrutiny could be considered an intrusion on that person's right to privacy and could be used in a lawsuit against the author.

That's my long and divergent answer to a short question!

bucky said...

Sorry if my post left you feeling ill. I am horrible at getting my point across in a neat and tidy fashion. :)
I just wanted to make sure what I thought the blog was about was seen..that it was not a VLC bashing or the breeder of VLC bashing.
That it was about a person that practices what she preaches against and can be very cruel.

I apologize about the 'test breeding' statement. I could have sworn I seen somewhere though that she stated that...to see if VLC could produce. Must have been one of those late nights and I read it too fast.

See...I don't mind being told I heard the wrong info. I'm not going to throw a hissy fit and call people names. :)
I don't visit any of the FHOTD sites since the people are so close minded and don't want to share their sandbox. My info is secondhand.

Yeah..it could have been the VLCs stifle..again I'm crap with my memory and info.

We had a stud colt that was 1 1/2 that somehow got over the 6ft fence to the broodmares. He was out there all night with them. Only one was bred. All of the others were already pregnant, THANK GOD!
We can only think that he had laid down and somehow squeezed under the fence.
The one and only time for an 'oops' breeding. Good thing though, the colt died the next summer from unoperative colic. Sugar Bar foundation bred.

Anonymous people..you really REALLY need to get a name. :)

bucky said...

Yes Pipkin, this is a blog to 'rant', just like the FHoTD. A rant page.
When we need to discuss training and such we go to our training forum that we have. :)

We are not your normal day to day 'bloggers' if you will.sit

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the explanation, and a thorough one at that.
Re. the name.. I do have a screen name, but it comes up as my real name, and so I clicked the 'anonymous' box. I'll figure this all out one of these days. Just bear with me.

CinammonSwirl said...

I really wish whomever keeps stealing my name (she has a space, I do not) would stop trying to pretend to be me. It's sort of sick, really. Sort of like playing dress up, but sadly is a little old to do so.

jsad said...

To DYRNFH

Thank you for clearing up some info.

Unlike most of the others here I have been boycotting the Cathy's website for a while so I can not go there and get info directly.

However, I hope you now see that we are not bashing your site. We do not think VLC is the quality that Cathy insists other breeders have to have before they keep a stud for breeding, but that is not to say that you do not produce quality animals. Just that VLC is not stud material, especially by Cathy's definition.

I am also glad to hear that VLC's dame does not and never has had lameness issues. That issue was bothering me. That VLC seems to have had stifle issues is just one more reason not to keep him as a stud. And unless she can specify a specific injury that cause the temporary issue Cathy needs to face the fact that it is one more blow against keeping him a stud. Again it may be just rumor that he had stifle injuries because I have been boycotting the site too long to verify it myself.

I asked you the questions I needed to to find out about you. As far as I am concerned we are cool there. Hope you feel the same.

PS. I am not an AQHA person but do know what it feels like to get ripped off by such a group. Sorry about your experiences.

Cinnamon Swirl said...

But it's SUCH a fun way to fill my down time while I'm working :))

Did I offend you by having a space? I can change that :)

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Pipkin said...

Bucky, where is this training forum? I would love to learn more, I'm having some troubles with my horse, (probably my riding)and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

And thanks, Traiingemmy for the education on privacy vs public, I know there is a lot of grey area in internet laws.

I will still visit FHOTD, as I do think there is some good info there, for me, anyway, but I do appreciate the education.

CinammonSwirl said...

Yeah, someone needs some psychiatric help. You only changed your name to be like mine because you got your panties in a knot because I don't like the VLC, nor do I like Cathy's hypocrisy. Trying to 'pose' as me is irritating, and is just a way to be a real troll. I called FBotD out on her BS. She never answered all my questions, and I don't support her, so instead of wasting your life, why don't you actually just keep working? Why don't you get the balls to step forward with a unique name instead of trying to soil mine?

CinammonSwirl said...

Solved it, sort of. It would be better if you actually changed your name (cause trolling is what you do, I understand. Do you get paid to do that at work, honey? Do you really even work? Might want to work on that.)

trainingemmy said...

Pipkin: Glad I could illuminate some of the journalism legalities. The Internet continues to be a grey area in a lot of ways, but as it moves from "new media" to just media, journalists and citizen-journalists and bloggers are finding their way through the many legal and ethical issues.

I certainly understand your need to reach out to a horsey community for more information. You might try asking some of the folks here for advice too. There's a lot of expertise represented here! (Excluding myself, except on matters of journalism...I'm still a figuring-it-all-out horse owner and rider!) :-)

Wazzoo said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse...if you hate Cathy so much...then how come you helped to rescue that Champagne Til Dawn? Aren't you the place where they are boarding that horse because he still has his dangling bits? Hmmmmm?


People I think we have a true wolf and sheeps clothing. It's easy to try and say all that you have been saying...And I quote your own words:
" Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...
I find it interesting that all you people have to bash Cathy with is VLC and indirectly me and my breeding program, such as it is, since it is almost entirely shut down. Not due to lack of sales or success but due to my age. I am over 50 years old and have been doing something either professionally or semi professionally in the horse industry since I was 27. The reason I want out of the horse business is that I am sick and TIRED of horse people and the horse industry. I am tired of everyone all up in my business and everyone else's for that matter. I am tired of the thievery, lying, back stabbing, cheating, politics, gossip, you name it.
At one point Cathy and I were friends or at least as much "friends" as she is capable of being. But the way she treated me, is the way no friend should be treated. I could answer ALL of the questions you all have and give you plenty of fodder to bash her with for months.
Like where does she get her money? I know, and it is not pretty.
Why is she single? I know and it is not pretty.
Why did she start the blog? I know and it is not pretty.
The only thing that matters in Cathy's life is animals and their welfare. That and of course being an internet celebrity....
Now onto bashing the dam of VLC... The mare is a broodmare and was one before I bought her. I bought her at age 10 as a broodmare. As far as I know she was not ever broke to ride, maybe she was and maybe she wasn't but she was not represented to me as being broke to ride. She left Texas at age three and went to Washington to Bennette Woodland Farm where she was bred to their pleasure stallions. She has produced pleasure point earners and a mare that was Oregon Hi point WP horse two years in a row that sold for $45,000 and went to New Mexico where she is now NM high point WP horse. I purchased the mare at the Hermiston Auction in 2004 along with her full sister who was 13 at the time. I never attempted to break either one of them. I suffered a severe back injury in 1997 and spent two years on Workmen's comp for the injury, then went through a job retraining program, so my riding is very limited. In my experience of owning them since 2004 these mares are not difficult to live with and neither are their foals. They are not mean or aggressive, or unsound. They are friendly and both mares are beautiful movers, they are soft and very flat kneed. VLC is a gorgeous mover, a natural WP horse that is as kind as you could ask for. Where we used to live he was pastured near a main road and someone would stop by at least once a week to inquire about him. Is he stallion quality? He does have a certain charisma. To truly be stallion quality he will need to prove himself in the show pen. He either will or he wont. Only time will tell if Cathy will have the ability to get him there. He was born to a program started to breed quality colored horses that are all arounders. You can call it a BYB or a yellow horse puppy mill or whatever you want, but a BYB never has the quality of stock that is standing out in my pasture. Sorry, just because I breed for yellow foals does not mean that is the ONLY requirement for my program.
KLR Reflection was not able to compete after his yearling year due to a leg injury when he got his hind leg caught in a wooden floored stall while living with his original owners in Canada. He was shown AQHA and has several Grands and reserves at halter as a yearling but he received no points at the time. He is a beautiful and kind natured animal with a decent pedigree, correct conformation, with a good sire and a bottom side chock full of AQHA champions and AQHA champion producers. Is he the best stallion in the universe? Nope. But for a yellow stud he is not bad and the people who have his get love them. Yeah I know every BYB says that! LOL! He has been mostly retired from the breeding shed for 4 years now. He will likely be put to sleep this year due to his old injury. If I truly were a Back Yard Krazy Kolor breeder I would be standing his cremello son to the public. He is not standing to the public at this time, and may never be. He is off to rope horse training this year. If he proves himself worthy he will be stallion quality. Just like Sierras Super Star is.
So there is the truth from the horse's mouth so to speak. Bash me all you want. I am no fan of Fugly but bashing me through her needed to be addressed.

Oh an another thing I posted on the blog entry with the photo of the 23 yr old buckskin mare that was claimed to be VLC and got compared to a grade autction horse. That is not VLC. That is a retired mare that I GAVE Cathy as a pet. She is 23 and has points in 9 different events ABRA. Please try to keep your facts straight.

February 1, 2009 4:36 PM"


You sure don't seem to hate her as much as you say if you are helping her out with Champagn Til Dawn by boarding him.

Wazzoo said...

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse

I was willing to give you the benefit of doubt...you lost that. Turns out you are nothing but a liar. You just lost all credibility to me.

Horse 101 said...

Wazzoo,
Is DYRNF even the VLC's breeder or is that bullshit too?

How'd you figure out she's helping Cathy? Is it on the Fugly main blog?

Wazzoo said...

I found out that "yellowhorseinc" is boarding Champagne Til Dawn thru this website...I'll post the link:

http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=656&mforum=wildroseequine

If you can't see it let me know.

Wazzoo said...

I don't really know if DYRNFH is really the breeder or not. I have a feeling that DYRNFH is really a troll...actually. Kind of wondering if they are actually Cathy just trying to throw our scent off by saying all that crap.

Wazzoo said...

http://fuglyhorseoftheday.blogspot.com/2009/01/surprise-surprise.html

She is thanking yellowhorseinc for boarding Champagne Til Dawn.

The Wenchster said...

Don'tridenofuglyhorse-

Sorry my internet was down for a day so I was not here to answer any questions.


I'm sorry that you feel we're attacking you- that was not the intention. It was to prove a point that Cathy is not as high up on her horse as she makes it seem. As for VLC dam, until my source says that he was incorrect, I stand behind what I say. And I'll say this to anyone- there's several reasons why a filly that is kept with breeders is then sold after 3 years of age....most of those reasons are bad(ie- conformation, health, not show/broodmare worthy).

You were not a target at all by any of this and I really am sorry that you felt that way. I was trying to show the many ways that Cathy either tells half truths or lies. Such as saying that she rescued that older mare "Kit" when several people found her on your site as being sold to Cathy.
While I do not think that VLC is stallion worthy- it was not meant that he is not going to be a nice show gelding. And I do hope that Sindy is now as pleasant as you say, but from what I heard from one of her trainers- she would pistol whip you if she could hold a gun. I have no reason to not trust the information given to me.

As far as Cathy means to making money- I can only hope that she advertises those rescues for free- otherwise she's going completely against her theory of "helping rescue without profit".
Besides that, the ad for HOWRSE debunks her credibility even more in my books.(I hate that game with a passion, it's up there with the Parelli games).
And Bucky is correct- Cathy has said that the VLC was test bred and went on to say that if his offspring is any proof of his breeding abilities then VLC would have a bright future(or something to that effect).
As far as you being a color producer, you're not the first person and not that last. There is a ranch in Arizona that aims at breeding only for buckskin and dun. Kind of like the dynamite Driftwood breeders that try to play "see how many times I go back to driftwood" game.
I'm sorry that you and Cathy had a fall out- I wouldn't even be internet friends with her if that tells you anything. As far as show standings proving "breeding" quality. It is something I only half agree with. There are several barrel and roping stallions and mares I can only hope never get the chance to breed. And with Gelding incentives now a days, showing a gelding can be just as beneficial as showing mares or stallions. Yes, they might not breed, but with as many horses on the ground and the price they are going at- do we really need any more Grand Champion or Res. Champion halter or WP stallions?


And to the other Cinnamon Swirl(the one with the space in the name). Go ahead and make fun of my weight all you want, really it makes for good laughs. I'm sure though that once you reach the tender young age of 56(almost 57) and have gone through several rounds of radiation and chemo you will have plenty of room to talk. Until then, go to a size and weight chart- educate yourself and come back when you notice for my age and height I weigh just what I'm suppose to. Come back when you have better insults than calling people fat. BTW- I don't eat chips- I prefer popcorn.

I haven't read through all the comments, but I'm sure I'll have more to say.

Horse 101 said...

Ah, I found it. Very interesting wazzoo.
I wish wenchster would get back on and let us now where her info on Sindy Saber came from. Maybe it's pre 2004 before DYRNF owned her.

Wazzoo said...

" Horse 101 said...
Ah, I found it. Very interesting wazzoo.
I wish wenchster would get back on and let us now where her info on Sindy Saber came from. Maybe it's pre 2004 before DYRNF owned her.

February 3, 2009 12:52 PM"


I think Winchester is going to have a crapload to say once she reads the comments and sees what I found. I don't think she appreciates liars.

bucky said...

My question still never got answered and I'm still curious.
DRNFH (yeller breeder): Where did you hear of FWoTD?
or did you answer and I miss it?

VERY interesting reading Wazzoo.

CS... antagonizers? Aren't you the one that is here talking smack? Aren't you one of the ones that loves to beat up people because of their weight, riding experience, lack of proper horse breeding (except for your mistress' choice of horses) etc etc...
Go back to your own sandbox.

Horse 101 said...

Dug up AQHA info on Sindy Sabre:
Born 1994 in Weatherford, TX. The breeder sold her as a 3 year old to Washington (1997). That person owned her until 2004 when yellowhorsesinc bought her. If I recall Wenchster correctly, she was up for sale shortly afer that.

The Wenchster said...

Horse 101-
Sindy was sold as a late 3 year old at the end of 97. Her previous trainer said after she was sold that he got a couple phone calls about her asking what issues she may have and if she checked out with vet for breeding. After that he never heard about her again.

Even ignoring the information I've given here- You have to wonder what was so wrong with this full sister to Mr Favor Sabre and proven color producer. For a horse that is producing $4,000 or more Buckskin or colored foals I wouldn't be getting rid of her unless something was pretty wrong with her.
Call me crazy, but in todays economy for a colored foal from middle-class sire and dam(I'll call them middle class since there are money earners on papers) to bring $4,000 that's quite a bit of money.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

The reason Champagne Til Dawn is here is that I felt sorry for the horse. I was at the sale when he went through, and even went into the pen with him to help untangle his lead rope off the heel of his shoe in the holding pen before his painful walk through the ring. I did not have any idea he was a stallion, even being in the pen with him. When I was contacted and asked if he could come here it was his last resort. There are not many places you can take a stallion at a moments notice and no one knew he was a stallion until someone saw him breeding the mares in the kill buyer's holding pen. I have a wonderful set up for stallions here. I have asked that he be removed from my property though, as his month's board is up. There now has been plenty of time to find him a more suitable arrangement.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

BTW you all are welcome to email me for photos of any other kind of verification you may need that I truly am me and not Cathy in disguise. You can email me from my website if you wish.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Oh I found this website from a thread on Horseville.com

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Blogger The Wenchster said...

Horse 101-
Sindy was sold as a late 3 year old at the end of 97. Her previous trainer said after she was sold that he got a couple phone calls about her asking what issues she may have and if she checked out with vet for breeding. After that he never heard about her again.

Even ignoring the information I've given here- You have to wonder what was so wrong with this full sister to Mr Favor Sabre and proven color producer. For a horse that is producing $4,000 or more Buckskin or colored foals I wouldn't be getting rid of her unless something was pretty wrong with her.
Call me crazy, but in todays economy for a colored foal from middle-class sire and dam(I'll call them middle class since there are money earners on papers) to bring $4,000 that's quite a bit of money.


Wenchster, The ad for Sindy Sabre is from last year. I was making a concerted effort to sell all of my breeding animals at the time. I was trying REALLY hard to get completely out of the breeding business. There is nothing wrong with the mare. I have spoken to the breeder of Sindy and Sabre via email, and I believe they held these two mares back as breeding animals for their own program but some sort of family event forced them to move. Sorry I don't remember more, it was a few years ago.

roanhorse said...

Wenchster...FYI In better economic times .... obviously a while back...a QH breeder/trainer/judge friend of mine gave me the info on a foals valuation as being three times the amount of the stud fee. The gentleman knew his stuff.

Valuations may have changed but after this equine economy meltdown it's certainly possible for valuations to return to prior status.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Oh one more thing on boarding Champagne Til Dawn, Cathy lives about 2 hours away from here. Really not far enough away if you ask me. She does not hang out and mess with the horse. She has a friend who lives close by that does.

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Blogger roanhorse said...

"Wenchster...FYI In better economic times .... obviously a while back...a QH breeder/trainer/judge friend of mine gave me the info on a foals valuation as being three times the amount of the stud fee. The gentleman knew his stuff."

I have heard the exact same thing from an old guy up here in the PNW. He raised a LOT of AQHA horses in his day. At one time he had 85 broodmares.

Horse 101 said...

DYRNF,
You're a better person than I. I wouldn't get wrapped up in that kind of deal with someone I claim not to like. Even for an abused animal. Cathy should have a plethora of contacts with her "internet celebrity" status. Did she not realize you aren't fond of her?
It hurts your credibility a bit.

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Blogger Horse 101 said...

" DYRNF,
You're a better person than I. I wouldn't get wrapped up in that kind of deal with someone I claim not to like. Even for an abused animal. Cathy should have a plethora of contacts with her "internet celebrity" status. Did she not realize you aren't fond of her?
It hurts your credibility a bit."

Well considering the horse has been here almost 30 days now and I found this website a couple of days ago, I guess my credibility with Cathy haters was not foremost on my mind at the time. Most if not all of Cathy's PNW supporters are not exactly stallion handlers. Rescue type folks are usually not set up for stallions and if they are usually have their facilities full. I have 11 empty stalls right now.

The Wenchster said...

Roanhorse- I don't know about up there, but down here $4,000 can buy you a already trained futurity prospect!
If you don't mind me asking- what's the prices for nicely bred colored fillys or colts up there?

Horse 101 said...

DYRNF,
I wouldn't expect you to plan your actions in anticipation of your credibility with "Cathy Haters" (which is rather harsh considering most of us don't know her personally). Hypocrisy outers would be better.

My comment wasn't meant to attack you. I just wouldn't personally take on something like that from someone I disliked.

Wazzoo said...

I sure am glad I screen capped all the comments that DYRNFH's comments before she erased them...LOL!

Dontyouridenofuglyhorse said...

Blogger Wazzoo said...

I sure am glad I screen capped all the comments that DYRNFH's comments before she erased them...LOL!

Well if you want to compare them, you will see I was fixing a syntax error.

bucky said...

CS, pretty sure you are just one of the Swuglies. That was what I meant...you are over there at FHoTD talking smack, come here and talk more smack and then act like you have a little crown on.
Obviously you can't see what is going on here, can't get past your own front feet.

Being that we SEE the hypocrisy and state what we see that is not right, how is that the same as what FHoTD days? We'd not be allowed over there to go against the grain.

So..point out exactly how this blog is the same as the other. How do they compare? I'd like to see that myself.
Here you can disagree and ask for info. There, you must comply or be admonished a troll. Hmmmmmmmm

You are not complying here. I haven't labeled YOU a troll. Yup...that's some comparison so far.

Oh...very Cathy like of you to attack someone that is battling cancer. Nice.

Just to clarify, there are two CS. One has an avatar and the other doesnt. Does that mean there are TWO different people? Nope. Could be one but playing both sides of the fence.

CinammonSwirl said...

Actually, there is only one. Some wench decided to change her name to be like mine to be a true troll. Trust me on this, I'm not THAT fucking demented. Besides, don't you think the talking styles are little too...well, different? No one is that talented, not even me. As for me being on FBotD, I haven't posted a comment there for a good LONG while. I can't even remember which one it was, but I had a brown horse grazing as my avatar. I was a rare commenter as it were. Trust me, I want to report her for using my name and basically trying to impersonate me (she's done it on a past post, but she's still to dumb to get it right, proving that indeed no work world would ever want her) but Blogger makes it impossible to get anyone for anything because they are in the said gray area.

roanhorse said...

Wrenchster...it depends...on bloodlines, is the horse broke, etc., I can tell you that Ted Robinson, California, breeder/trainer, NRCHA, has some for sale, 2-3 year olds in the $12 to $15 thousand bracket. The two year olds are started and the three year olds are broke, can turn around, stop and take a steer down the fence. Don't forget the NRCHA'ers (the serious fans and new owners will spend it to say they've got one of his).... I've also seen the other end from the NRCHA crowd...prospects had for $5,000 and up. Now, at large breeder sales, many of the yearlings are going for a song.

The well bred pleasure PROSPECTS are still bringing in the dough..I've seen many a unshown 2 year old prospect with highly desired bloodlines start at $12,000and up. And, some folks, like our mutual friend, were able to locate a prime, beautifully bred prospect for much less...it depends on who you know, networking is an invaluable tool. As is advertising the heck out of the horse you might have for sale.

A very few years ago, it was almost impossible to find a competitive, (that's the key word)rail horse for less than $65,000. And people were stepping up to the pay window to have one. They still are...only now it's in the six figure range...which just blows me away. I cannot imagine. These horses are still moving to new buyers for a six figure purchase price. I do believe the AQHA will begin to take it in the shorts as fewer people are able to afford these horses and the exhibitor numbers are tanking at the smaller AQHA shows. You'll have to haul further and longer to get any points on your horse.

roanhorse said...

Wrenchster...I would add that a really great colored performance horse or prospect will bring even more money to the seller.

Palominos are a hot ticket up here as are more buckskins showing up in AQHA classes and are highly competitive....(Todd Bergen had a stallion by the name of Buckaroo Bandit(I think)that was a high point halter horse in regular halter classes and he sure enough could take him down the fence...he was one of a kind....)

However, that horse has to have ALL the basics, popular, proven bloodlines, parents who've both been successful in the show pen, a few ROM's in different performance classes won't hurt. High Points, of course, on parents are highly desirable. It still pays in the end...I won't own a horse now that doesn't have proven parents...just the way it is. Arrogant, maybe...just my preference.

CinnamonSwirl2 said...

lol!! Now it's going to look like your kooky posters are talking about an imaginary friend.

roanhorse said...

CS2...Imaginary???? Only in your delusional mind.....